At the going down of the sun we will remember their crimes

So it is over for another year.

However, it will be along again before you know it.

I am, of course, referring to the annual British festival of Poppy porn.

It is truly sad that the genuine grief for lost loved ones has been weaponized to lobby for current military adventures.

Of course, within this collective remembering, there is also a national agreement on forgetting.

The millions slaughtered and grand theft of the British Empire makes the Third Reich look like a bunch of juvenile delinquents by comparison.

By the time the Great War started the British state had carved out the first genuine trans-global empire.

How it got to that imperialist pinnacle was through a catalogue of crimes against humanity spanning several centuries.

However, the Poppy apologists say that the compulsory emblem of grieving on the British telly is about “the fallen” of two world wars.

However, the body count of innocents by the Westminster Imperium from the creation of the Royal British Legion Poppy is appalling.

Let’s start with the terror bombing of the Kurds in the newly created state of Iraq in 1920.

It was the first major operation of the newly formed Royal Air Force.

Then there is the Bengal Famine of 1943.

Churchill was fully aware of the plight of these subjects of the Crown in India.

Moreover, his replies to memos from colonial functionaries clearly stated that he didn’t give a damn about the millions who were slowly starving to death.

I have been struck by the extent to which Winston Churchill is a hero figure among The People at Ibrox.

What they see in that drunken racist genocidal sociopath is beyond me.

Oh wait…

Now, if you ask the average British person about the colonial times in India they will probably state that it was very good in the long run for the subcontinent.

Prepare to hear something about the railways.

Unsurprisingly, the folk in India have a different view.

A decade after Belsen was liberated by British troops the UK government thought it perfectly ok to operate their own death camps in Kenya.

Before they were evicted from that African country the British destroyed thousands of incriminating documents regarding their reign of terror there.

Yes, we will remember them.

Many Poppy apologists will state that they are just thinking of the poor squaddies of the First World War.

Yet many of the chaps in the trenches went on to commit war crimes in Ireland during An Cogadh na Saoirse.

My grandmother’s brother was in a POW camp for a chunk of WW1.

Here is the camp in Wales where was held.

Note the fetching outfits worn by the guards.

I don’ think that they’re Welsh…

The Frongoch volunteers used their time well there and they formed a very effective guerrilla army.

The IRA would soon meet their erstwhile captors on the boreens here and they bested the Brits in a new type of warfare.

At that time British state possessed one of the biggest military machines on the planet.

Today, in Brexit Britain, they only have an army of 78,000 full-time troops and fewer fighter planes than Belgium.

Turkey has a bigger navy.

As the Brits slip down the military rankings this compulsory grieving seems to become more rigidly enforced with each passing year.

Here in Ireland, the RBL Poppy remains a divisive symbol.

This year a version of it was worn by our privately educated Love Actually Taoiseach in Dáil Éireann.

Dear British person, if you find Boris embarrassing then you have no idea what many of us in Ireland feel about Leo…

I wrote this piece about the same subject seven years ago.

Sadly, little has changed.

If anything the compulsory grieving has got more oppressive.

On Planet Fitba the RBL Poppy remains a weapon of war for The People against Celtic’s Irish roots.

Back then they had an ally in the Parkhead Boardroom.

Thankfully Baron Reid has left his post at Celtic.

This imperialist version of seasonal affective disorder will be back again next year.

Until then, the klan will put away their outsized Poppies.

However, like the midsummer marching madness and 11th-night “bone fires” we know that it will return.

What can change is the reaction of all right-thinking folk everywhere to Poppyfest.

90 thoughts on “At the going down of the sun we will remember their crimes”

  1. On the subject of wars..the Great War WWI the US president Wilson sued for peace in 1915 and in that year Germany put forward terms that were rejected by Britain. Those terms were never shared with the British public. The Americans did however share with the world that Britain’s out right rejection was based on the fact that God was behind them. I wonder how many lives might have been spared if the US and Germany’s proposal even discussed.

    1. Odd the things that get erased from history, eh ..?

      And their ‘God’ is the opposite of ‘The’ God that we were told of at school.

      In fact, it’s the very devil himself they worship and they’re not even hiding this fact anymore.

      Still, only 13 families running the world almost wholly unopposed, so I suppose even devil worship must have its own unique benefits …

  2. Phil, in response to a question I posed to EBT Scotland about the hiring and payments made to EBT recipients I’ve had a reply from a Fiona Sheridan pointing out to me that EBT’s are not illegal as far as the broadcaster is concerned and tax affairs are a private matter between the individual and HMRC.
    Happy to send you a copy if this is of interest to you.
    I admit that I’m suffering from the impression that the Supreme Court declared the EBT version employed by Murray Group and its subsidiaries was in fact illegal and that HMRC have sent demand letters to the recipients including those employed by EBT Scotland for payment of tax, plus interest and penalties!
    I stand to be corrected of course.

  3. Spot on as usual phil!

    The amount of where is your poppy and why you not wearing one that I have had at my Ayrshire based workplace during the in your face poppy season well! You would have thought i committed a war crime not wearing one.

    Sick of the whole poppy thing and why everyone on Tv has to be pressurised into it.

    Let it be a choice My poppy folk not a farce.

  4. Poppy wearing Cretins, stop continuing this farce. If you want to celebrate the memory of your hero ancesters, stick a bunch of flowers on their grave. Also understand if WW3 broke out now you and your fellow mankind would not be so easily led into fighting for the 1% s cause. We might be a little bit more informed therse days. I certainly would not let any of mine any where near it.

  5. Listen people, the poppy is so wrong and last centuary if its for fund raising. My goodness why should any ex military person need financial support. Soldier dies in the am, wages docked for the afternoon. Thats a fact. Poppy appeal doesnt change that. Forcing the Govt to stop maxing the politians pension perks allowances, house flipping. GET REAL, IF you think we need a military, and agree with the concept of military strength ( which I Dont , they create the orphans and then play the benevolence card when they fill the orphanages – WOW). The whole lot of it is imperialistic Shite. Stop being led like a sheep and start being a free thinking human.

  6. No one that I know of has ever been told (or forced) to wear a Poppy so Poppy Fascism is a myth.

    Wear one or don’t, it’s your choice but please don’t lecture others who choose to wear it for their own reasons.

    1. Rubbish what about John snow? Anyone on a media programme is force to wear one that is fascism! But one must consider the soldiers employer who relinquish all responsibility to their post war trauma! It is immoral that they have to rely on charity and the state don’t fund them, but agre all they’re only squadies so who cares!!!

      1. Nat, maybe if you check your facts you will find a few viewers complained that he was not wearing one. No one made him wear one or forced him to…as I said.

    1. It’s the ‘wages’ of war and the profiteers of wars that induce conflicts,we,the minions,merely play in their war games.

      Move on,’Poppygate’ is trivia.🍀☮️

  7. If you choose to wear one so be it. If not, same applies. I stopped to read a cardboard sign by a homeless guy on Gordon St in Glasgow last Saturday, turns out he was ex armed forces and when I pointed out that the PoppyScotland merchandise wagon was stationed on Buchanan St and he could possibly get pointed in the right direction to help him, he just laughed and said I was aff ma heid if I thought they would aid him in any way. Serve your country, get cast aside. Terrible.

  8. The fact that this debate, with people arguing both sides, exists is a greater testament to people who fought for freedom than any poppy ever will be.

    The argument that you must do something, to commemorate someone fighting for your freedom to choose is just ludicrous. It is an insult to those who lost their lives.

    1. Agrajag – You really believe wars are fought to defend freedom and free speech? There was me thinking it was all about making big profits for bankers and a depopulation tool.

  9. What you fail to grasp Phil is that imperialism continues to this day under the American empire, of which the EU countries, Ireland included, are vassals of. All countries must be run to this benefit or the boys are sent in (see Syria, Libya, Iraq etc etc etc). The goal is world control with a one world government, one world currency, microchipped population etc. Total control by the less than 1% of the entire human race and the EU is a stepping stone to this.

    You hear guys like Phil who rightly want to speak about British brutality especially in Ireland, but guess what? This kind of thing is happening to this day and the UK and Ireland are vassals to the power carrying out these atrocities. Where were the progressive left, up in arms about British brutality decades ago, when we destroyed Libya or when we were funding terrorists to destroy Syria?

    Over the course of the years the EU has taken over power of the individual nations of Europe without a bullet being fired, yet the people are asleep to what is actually happening. Where a few bureaucrats controlled by the less than 1% will dictate their policies to the whole of Europe. This has been allowed to happen partly because of the trojan horse of political correctness. And the mass manipulation of the population through social media whereby any dissent towards this agenda is shot down by the politically correct brigade.

  10. Good god, what a bunch of whining blowhards, all jumping on the same bandwagon and giving us all the benefit of their historical knowledge told to them by their long deceased Irish grand parents or great grandparents, one team wear poppies so another team shouldn’t wear them who gives a shit, either wear them or don’t but give the bleating a rest please and stop with the history lessons.

  11. Phew……I forgot for a moment on Sunday evening we were going to lose out on your annual piece on poppy’s.

    Thankfully you managed to bring Rangers into it….why wouldn’t you?

  12. Has anyone got the list of the rangers players who served their country in Harland and Wolfe as storemen ,sure only one signed up to fight .

  13. Thanks Phil
    Thought provoking article
    Churchill was an abomination, along with a House of Lords select and the ruling classes of the day he wanted to massacre the miners in the strikes of the early decades of the 20th century, later, and fortunately for us in Britain he was a British abomination and he proved the ultimate big picure guy of WWII who kept Hitler at bay. He had little or no redeeming features or humanity within him. The population knew this and got rid of him at the first possible opportunity as soon as WWII was over. Labour tried to move towards a better way and the politics of humanity with the new NHS.
    I wear the poppy to remember the fallen of all sides, of all faiths and of none. I wear it with pride and find no conflict with my Catholic faith, my love of Celtic Football Club, all it stands for and for my love of humanity
    There was no pause for reflection or room for idealism, wisdom, deep thinking, truth or sage debate in the trenches for your average soldier, just over the top or a bullet.

    All those who died are worth my short period of reflection at the 11th hour of the 11th day each year, each to their own personal thoughts

    Bless them all I say
    Peace to you and yours

    Kind regards
    One for the road

  14. My Grandfather was 2nd Generation Irish, born on Glasgow, who was highly decorated in WW1. He considered the Poppy and it’s imagery to be a construct to salve the conscience of a mass murderer. “Earl Haig Conscience Fund” was how he described it to his children and grandchildren, and who would I be to argue with that fitting description.

  15. It is the compulsory nature of remembrance which rankles. And the partisan pro-Brit tenor of the thing. The BBC seems to supply buttonholes for everyone during Poppyfest and trots on the broken bits of the latest ill-conceived military adventure to underline that somehow this is about heroising military service regardless of the immoral and illegal wars in which the British Army has been involved. Most ironically the anti-war symbolism of the poppy has been dragooned into the service of blatant militarism. In the past I did think that the poppy could again be seen as a symbol of peace highlighting the waste of war in general and the Great War in particular. But as the drumbeats grow louder and ignominy faces those public figures who do not don a poppy, and the minutes silences lengthen to hours, I fear another march to war and shun the red poppy.
    Let us all remember our war dead but honour only those who fought for freedom in the only way that is fitting, by our words and deeds. Anything else is hypocrisy.

    1. I agree Karl.

      Phil, I’m big fan of your articles and while I don’t agree with your politics on this specific subject, I respect your opinion.

      However, why on earth celticnewsnow have posted a link to this unrelated subject beggars belief. Only last week we had the BBC attempting to make Celtic related story out of a major shareholder at the club. Fans were rightly angered by this but here we have celticnewsnow pretty much endorsing (or at the very least encouraging) Celtic fans to read Phil’s article when it has nothing to do with Celtic.

  16. Phil, if you have any friends or family (your son?) who are not left wing idealogues, I would suggest you get them to read this piece and then try to explain to you why it is so … lacking in any warmth or compassion. It has distorted Marxist world-view logic running through it like a stick of bitter rock.

    Many Irishmen, good, decent likeable honest men with real families and good humour and a love of the land and music, died in the trenches of Ypres and Gallipoli fighting a wa they knew very little about. My great uncle was one of them with the Connaught Rangers, a Galwayman.

    I imagine you and the tweedy academics who have reinvented 20th century Irish history to accord with post 1960s left wing ideals would call them a stain on Irish history, or an embarrassment.

    Or perhaps even an inconvenient truth.

    1. Would that be the same Connaught Rangers who mutinied in India because of British atrocities back home?
      Many of them joined the IRA when they returned.

      1. Phil, yer nothing more than a Marxist idealogue. Lol I hope you’ve read Lenin’s- Imperialism: The Highest Order of Capitalism. If not, yer going in the big red book.

      2. Yes, the very same Connaught Rangers. But I’m no historian I don’t know the details though I did once see a very good BBC TV documentary on it and it was I think pretty much as you describe. My great uncle’s immediate family were prominent in the IRA in Galway. I have one or two sepia tinted photos of them at the time. Had he survived the trenches then I’m sure he would have been too.

        But that’s not my point. My point is that I think you’re using a symbol of remembrance, of sacrifice not imperialism, to further your own political argument ‘we are right, they are wrong’, in exactly the same way that you criticize the Loyalists for doing. Hijacking a symbol to promote an agenda.

        I wear a poppy (if I happen to remember to buy one, and if it stays on my lapel for 5 minutes before I lose it) to de-weaponise the haters and not to support or buttress their curdled, bitter views.

        Wearing a poppy isn’t a political statement.

          1. I think the difference Phil is you choose to make it a symbol of British Imperialism when it is clearly for those who wear it not? For those sick of the sight of the poppy then that has more to do with the marketing men making their blood money commission on the blood of the fallen, look at any charity they employ slick techniques in a saturated market.

            I think your arguments are an artificial construct without merit.

          2. In your eyes it may be political, in my heart it isn’t.

            Many people go on about ‘butcher’ Haig, politicians start wars, soldiers have to fight them, with the benefit of hindsight we can see mistakes on many levels, we can also see the successes if men killing each other at the behest of politicians can be called success.
            On the other hand we could have left the Germans to get on with it, life under the Germans may have been more attractive to some.

          3. Do you think the many who espouse your views (over and over) have had any role in politicising it?

            The stark reality is the anti-poppy brigade are every bit overbearing, repetitive and ultimately boring as the “poppy fascists” you never tire of banging on about.

            Oh and Churchill managed to save Europe (yes including your beloved Ireland) from tyranny….imagine having the audacity to admire that!

          4. What Political Party does wearing a poppy support then? If it’s political. I suppose it’s Labour, but if I recall correctly every political party leadership wears a poppy and attends the Cenotaph. So it’s endorsed by all party’s of the political spectrum.

            It’s a charity to support excservice people and it’s all about respect for those who have fallen in wars for our country.

            Perhaps if you’ve renounced your UK citizenship and become an Irish citizen then you don’t really understand UK culture and shouldn’t be rude enough to be disparaging about other people’s culture?

            Try sorting your Ireland first?

            I’ve observed a number of things about Ireland that deserves fierce criticism but I wouldn’t do it as it’s none of my business and I don’t really care.

            Finally, people should live in the present and be positive about the future. Not wallow in a negative past and certainly not blame or hold accountable people today for what others did three, four, five and more generations ago.

          5. Joe, where did you get the idea that the warmonger Churchill ‘won’ that war?

            Surely not from the loaded fabrications of your British-made history books ..?

            If it was down to Churchill, the war would still be raging today and, in fact, when you approach it from the proper perspective, ie, Corporations Vs Humanity, you could well argue that it still is.

            But it was RUSSIA that ended the Second World War, not Britain or America, it was Stalin’s troops who marched on Berlin, who entered Hitler’s bunker, who suffered the worst casualties, some 11,000,000 soldiers (killed and missing) as well as somewhere between 7,000,000 and 20,000,000 million of its civilian population.

            And, of course, Stalin was in on the whole stitch up with the bankers & militarists but he was NOT prepared to allow the West to steal his position from under him although he was prepared to engage in the phony ‘Cold War’ to keep everybody living in fear, which suits our rulers aims nicely, as you may or may not have noticed via the current ‘Terror’ programme being rolled out today.

            But don’t trumpet up the notorious drunken boorish warmonger who gassed the Kurds in the 20s as some kind of war ‘hero’ when he was just another bloodthirsty puppet in the hands of the bankers.

            As for you, Martin, the British government & media have chosen to make it a political statement, not Phil, and they’ve done this to justify their ongoing wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, not to mention all their other covert missions destabilising countries across the world on a daily basis. (See below)

            https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF/BLUM%20killing%20hope_djvu.txt

            And, poster McKean, if that’s your year of birth at the end of your handle I apologise but I would ask that you provide us with some clear examples of war’s ‘Successes’, as you call them …

            You can do this BEFORE reading the text from the link I’ve provided for you above and then try to justify the same ‘Successes’ AFTER having read the information therein.

            In fact, just have a look at the Contents Table at the beginning:
            Chapter headings like

            ‘Korea, 1945-53: Was It All That It Appeared To Be?’

            Or

            ‘Greece, 1947-early 50s: From Cradle of Democracy To Client State’

            should give you a fair idea of how Britain, America, Israel & France have carried out their weekly war crimes since 1945.

            And here’s you lot still going on about the Germans!

            Neither the Empire nor the war ever ended, they just put a different guise on it.

          6. The politicising of the Poppy has the Left’s paw prints all over it. The Left is aggressively hostile to any emblem of patriotism and national identity. The Loyalists just react to this provocation in exactly the way you hope them to. Don’t be a hypocrite, Phil, you love the way they behave on this. It justifies your antipathy to them and props up your belief-system.

            Look at the hatred you all apparently have for Winston Churchill. This is classic post-60s left-wing revisionist groupthink, generated and churned out by the universities to gullible and fearful-to-question-anything students, then amplified in the media and immortalised in the entertainment industry. You are all brainwashed. Deeply brainwashed into thinking you’re all free-thinkers, making up your own minds with the facts. As free thinking as you average Scientologist.

            Reading your piece and some of the responses generated here, it’s almost as if you think that the wrong side won the war or something, you all sound really hard done by about it. Or perhaps you all just feel that, in reality, Churchill was no better than Hitler. It’s just jingoism, they’re both War Mongers, equally. But then again, it’s perhaps understandable that some people here may feel this way as of course Hitler was a committed socialist, a die -hard fascist and atheist who, like some of your readers, also had a visceral dislike of the, ahem, profiteering “bankers” who always seem to cause the wars and then grow rich on them to boot.

          7. Hitler was a ‘committed Socialist’ AND a fascist, Adrian ..?

            You do know that these are two completely diametrically opposed ideologies, don’t you ..?

        1. And that the real ‘Nazis’ were the very same bankers who financed both slaughters, who still run our world today and who you don’t seem to have a problem with, is this right ..?

          I’m sorry to be the one to tell you, chief, but the world is nothing like as black & white as you see it, in fact, it’s not black & white at all, it’s a colourful mess of lies & bullshit made up by those in power to keep us subservient and stupid and, judging by your reactionary Hegelian outbursts, they seem to be doing a pretty decent job.

          1. As I said, deeply brainwashed. You all believe unquestioningly the big lie.

            Go check out what is fascism. As left-wing, communist a philosophy as its sister ideology bolshevism. Mussolini was a communist congratulated by Lenin on his accession to power.

            Fascism IS left wing.

    2. the munsters were first in and decimated , my grand uncle was there and died later decorated with the MM the munsters held a german division of 6ooo men when the scots and english ran at the first major engagement at mons !

  17. Some well articulated responses. Unfortunately out there among the less “articulate” the Poppy has been Sectarianised, on both sides of the misguided divide. When I see the images of WW1 and the young Scottish conscripts of war, going in to battle frozen in their kilts and with limited artilary, it saddens me that this was all in vain as this was to be the war to end all wars. If anyone gets the chance listen to the ballad Green fields of France.Eric Bogle(various artists) Corrie’s/Furey’s. Wearing a poppy in commemoration of that scenario seems very acceptable to me.

  18. Phil, I don’t necessarily agree with your views on the significance of wearing the poppy although I do recognize the wrongs done by most European countries in the pursuit of Imperialism. What I do applaud is the fact that, despite your own strongly held views, you allow others to express their views of your forum. So often blogs such as this censor posts that are contrary to the owner of the blog. I take my hat off to you for allowing everyone to express their views. Well done!

    1. SB have to agree 100% well done Phil for taking the flak. Keep up the good work on Sevco as you are the only source of real info.

  19. I’ve just read Dr Caroline Elkins book about the treatment of the Kenyan population during the Mau Mau rebellion in the so called freedom camps. Shows you the undiluted inhumanity that the BE brought no matter where they went. For any of them to think that having a minutes silence and wearing a poppy can justify all that violence, they need to look at why these wars started and who benefitted. It wasn’t the working class men from all over the globe, that’s for sure. An obscenity and a crime against human progress.

  20. Anyone who has read the War Poets will know immediately there was no “glorious” dead. They avoid the truth by making it something admirable. The truth us simply this. If you did not go over the top you would be shot for cowardice by your own. If you did manage to go over the top, you might be killed or wounded. You might die from injuries in no man’s land, alone and afraid. You might also get back alive. It amounted to just that.

    To glorify this slaughter takes a degree of sickness. Remember the men who literally had no option but to face death one way or another.

  21. It’s poppy fascism. What was once a private, heartfelt gesture to commemorate those who died in two world wars has become a compulsory display of loyalty to the idea of British militarism and support for all its wars.

    I would never, ever have worn a poppy – British forces killed a member of my own family – but I always respected those who felt the need to and wanted to contribute to the welfare of their country’s ex-servicemen. Shame on those who have brought dishonour on it by making it a political symbol.

    Well said Phil.

    1. Yes. It is the politicising of the poppy by right wing warmongers to support the current British Army that is the problem. It is no longer a symbol of remembrance , but has become a very public propaganda tool for supporting the military. The wall to wall wearing of the poppy on the bbc by all their presenters and the recent Poppy ART DISPLAY that was touring the country reflects this sinister change.
      It is being used by the Establishment as a bullying symbol to test your patriotism.

      My father came from India. I have just returned from visiting the newly opened Partition Museum in Amritsar. The particular story is heartbreaking. I also visited the Jallianwala Bagh Memorial Gardens to commemorate the almost 500 unarmed men, women and children who were massacred by the British Army in cold blood. Many were shot in the back as they tried to escape from a cul de sac. Their crime? Attending a meeting.

      It is not the Poppy or Rememberance that is the problem but the way it has been hijacked to suppress criticism of the continuing violence of the British Army in the 21st Century.

  22. Poppy Fascism. If you don’t wear one the Klan are on your back. However, I work in Glasgow and I only counted 1 person in the office that had a poppy on. That’s up to them. Nobody will tell me that I should wear 1.

  23. When I was growing up I always wore a poppy. My Dad and his brother were in the army, my Mother had three brothers in the armed services of different countries, one of them was in one of the first ever commando units. I knew that but his own children didn’t. But in the last ten, fifteen years maybe longer, I’m not sure when it started, the whole meaning of the poppy has been completely high-jacked by right wing, NF, for want of a better word, fruitcakes. And I will NEVER wear a poppy again. Incidentally all the men I mentioned were Donegal by birth and would spit on the current wearers!

  24. The alternative is not to remember them which would be a despicable betrayal of our ancestors and their sacrifice.

    The vast majority of Celtic fans in Scotland have a cultural history of ancestors serving in war in the UK Armed Forces. Not of serving in the IRA like yours Phil.

    Anyone descended from Irish people before The Free State (such as famine migrants) are descended from UK British citizens. Because all Ireland was an integrated country of the UK.

    I am descended from 1880’s Irish Diaspora. But they were 100% British Citizens. My family history has never not been British.

    1. British subjects, my friend, never British citizens. In fact, is there such a thing? There certainly didn’t use to be. Knowing how the English change names and the meaning of words in their language to suit their political needs of the moment – eg Windscale to Sellafield, Long Kesh to The Maze – they might have pulled another stroke in recent years by fooling their people into thinking they are citizens, the proud title of those from a republic, rather than the subjects of a disfunctional monarchy. Peace. .

  25. A very thought provoking piece. If people choose to wear the poppy that is their right, the same with those who don’t.
    It used to be that it was only worn on Rememberance Sunday, but now it’s getting to almost three weeks before. The Poppy polis, and poppy fascists are quick to criticise, chastise, harass,vilify,etc.etc., if you don’t conform..
    I don’t wear a Poppy, because I am a student of history and fully aware of its origins, Butcher Haig and all that, but I do donate to the charity.
    Unfortunately the whole idea of Remembrance and the Poppy have been politicised and bastardised by disreputable elements in our society.
    As Dr. Samuel L Johnson said, “ Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” I think that’s what he said .
    R. I.P.

  26. Thanks for all the reminders again, Phil.
    Like you I have a strong Irish Catholic heritage of which I am inordinately proud. Likewise and despite all her faults I have a strong British heritage again of which I am inordinately proud. I always have, do and always will wear my poppy with pride as a mark of remembrance. I leave those with less worthy motives and agendas to what they wish to believe and do.
    “They small grow not old ….” has a strong resonance for me. Fortunately my father, God rest him, survived the second World War otherwise I would not be here but only twice in his life would he speak to me about it because the horrors and loss of friends and companions were too painful. I am proud of him and of those who died so that you and I and many millions more might be free.

  27. All my life I wore a poppy in remembrance of those who fought in the two World Wars but since the paper flower has come to symbolise all wars I cannot bring myself to wear it.

    To see poppies on cars and buses, in newspaper logos, on sports kits, shop window displays, on hijabs and perhaps most disrespectfully, as bling accessories is – perhaps ironically or even fittingly, overkill.

    ‘Poppyfest’ as you quite rightly call it, has become a contest of pseudo-morality and patriotism and like the Last Night of the Proms it actually helps to perpetuate the notion of glory in Empire rather than the reality of ignominy and shame.

    I wish we could restore the poppy to commemorate WW1 & 2 only and observe dignified silence for the appropriate ceremonies – not sporting events. Alas, I fear there is no going back.

  28. It would be interesting if Celtic FC insisted British clubs wear a shamrock to commemorate the fallen on January 20th 1972. Imagine the hypocrisy of those not wishing to participate! All this war admiration should be stopped along with one minute silences. Football should not be used for propaganda purposes and respect for dead individuals should also not be forced upon the public. People have the ability to make personal choices to attend funerals or public tributes outwith football grounds.

  29. Don’t disagree with a single syllable. It’s not the whole story – you didn’t even get to Haig-but it’s enough of it to me going. I loath the pompous, supercilious, superior posturing of the whole tin-rattling , self-important unapologetic farce.

  30. As You pointed out, Churchill was no friend of the Welsh. But let us pause and remember the ruling classes that made sooooooo much money out of both World Wars. I had three Uncles who fought the facists and I’m very proud of them. Patrick, David and Lindon Mc Carthy left the pits of South Wales to fight Hitler, Gerald McCarthy, their brothet, was in the Home Gaurd when not risking his life underground. Their father, my grandfather, from Cork….something about Robert The Bruce and a certain stone in Blarney escaping me at the moment….

  31. Poppy Day is brilliant in kilwinning ,the Saltcoats defender boys march to the war memorial in full uniform with a police escort,flutes and drums ,union flags no Scottish of course,to a new topiary soldier complete with Lee Enfield rifle.aye bit we wurny playin oor tunes but hymns n nat.only in Scotland

  32. The poppy is not about war crimes, Winston Churchhill or Rangers supporters and I don’t apologise for anything but wear a poppy for the fallen and in memory of my Grandfather – abandoned by Churchill at st. Valery-en-Caux. A man who saw many of his fellow warriors killed not just by enemy fire but also the death march to Poland where he was held for the next five years. A devout Catholic, a staunch tic man, chairman of the local RBL, a miner, what I’m trying to say Phil is that you just don’t get it, criticism of the poppy seems to be a modern construct where you confabulate some terrible events of history to attack those that wear a poppy

    1. My great uncle was left behind at Dunkirk as the rear guard, the Scottish Highland Division in its entirety.

      He spent five years in a Stalag in central Germany.

      His brother joined up in a replacement highland regiment and died at Normandy.

      Both were exemplary catholic men and Celtic fans.

      You would think in some minds that we should have sat back in WWI and II and just let the Germans win.

      1. Yes. In the minds of the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bushes et al who actually funded both slaughters either scenario would have been acceptable.

        Either way, it’s the same people running the world now as over 100 years ago so what, exactly, were all those millions of deaths for?

  33. You write about it every year.

    Every year I praise your criticism of all things Sevco/Rangers and the Orange Order but also criticise your disdain for the poppy.

    I thought the eternal circle of a snake eating its tail was finally broken, but alas here we are.

    People remember the fallen from all three services, including thousands of Irishmen and Women, through donating for a poppy in return. The money goes to helping ex service people who need it. It’s a charitable organisation.

    It has nothing to do with Winston Churchill nor India nor Kenya.

    All three services have Roman Catholic Priests as Padres. Priests are officers in the British Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force.

    There is a military pilgrimage to Lourdes each year.

    Catholic Schools in the UK have War Memorial Chapels. Including Scotland.

    The RC Cardinal of England, Vincent Gerard Nicols, stands at the Cenotaph each year. My local Priest was replaced at Sunday Mass as he was attending a Remembrance Service on Sunday (Scotland).

    Celtic Football Club has a long and proud tradition of its players, club staff and supporters serving in the UK armed forces. There’s at least one VC. Many hundreds serve today and they are Pastored by RC Chaplains.

    Your anti poppy positioning reads as bitter. It is a very minority view. It won’t change or effect the majority population view going forward. But in a democratic society you have the right to say your piece and express your opinion.

    This is what was fought for.

    1. Why should the tax paying public be expected to pay…again…for the upkeep of ex servicemen?
      Surely that’s the government’s job, that’s why we pay our taxes.
      The BL begging on our streets demean the whole charade.
      An excuse to show off HMQ and the royal hanger one, not to mention politicians like Blair and Co.

      1. The tax paying public are not expected to pay…….. they voluntarily pay as they love their service and ex service armed forces.

        It’s all done happily and voluntarily. No one is forced.

        1. Your British government sends off young men and woman to fight wars, both legal and illegal, and it is financed by taxespayers money. When the troops come home maimed and crippled your goverwants little to do with them….just uses them aka The Cenotaph pantomine.
          As I said we already have paid through our taxes but the BL is forced to beg for donations to help those old, infirm or injured servicemen and women.

    2. I fully agree Green Aurora and as a Celtic supporter, a Scottish Gael and a catholic I too wear a poppy in remembrance of all those who gave up their lives for the freeedom we enjoy today.

    3. As an ex-soldier of some thirty years service and a Tim since birth, my objection to the poppy is it’s hijacking by loyalist paramilitary groups. They adorn memorials to murderers! This is not what I (nor the millions) served for.

  34. That’s no a chip on your shoulder, it’s a full fish supper.

    Just because the Klan use the poppy, doesn’t mean the whole country does so for the same reason.

  35. Churchill was no hero. I desert the man. Reference the Gallipoli disaster and his work with Lloyd George in partitioning Ireland. RIP Michael Collins, who must be turning in his grave at the likes of Roy Keane, Richard Dunne and Neil Lennon all sporting poppies this week as they engage in football punditry. I guess it must be a “have to wear accessory” to be able to appear on TV.

    I read an interesting article in a Cork paper this week that told of William Hill being a Black and Tan in Mallow, Cork in his youth, aged 17, in 1921. The item when on to suggest that Hill established a fledgling bookies business with his demob money and developed it to what it is today.

  36. The poppy fetishists, by and large, don’t even understand the meaning of paying respect. Because – of course – true respect comes from the heart, not from some arbitrary set of rules imposed on others by self-appointed prefects.

    People should pay their respects in exactly that way which seems most fitting to them. Whether with a poppy – if they feel moved to broadcast their participation – or entirely privately, without recourse to clothing accessories.

    Personally, I find it more fitting to honour the war dead by fighting fascism, rather than indulging in it.

      1. Indeed. And what has terrorism to do with the war dead?

        It’s ok, I know the answer already.

        Because the only link between terrorism and the poppy, is in context of the mindset that both Phil and myself have clearly identified.

        That the symbolism of the poppy – and the sacrifice of those who died – has become co-opted by people of ill-will, not for the remembrance of the war dead, but for the blanket glorification of state militarism.

        We invade their countries. “Our heroic boys, doing their bit for Queen and Empire.”

        The people who live there fight back? “Terrorism.”

        1. Spot on, Tito, but you forgot to mention the deliberate displacement of the hundreds of thousands of men of fighting age who the West consider potential resistance fighters from Iraq, Libya etc who are currently being unloaded in their boatloads across Europe in yet another Empirical move to cause hatred, havoc and internal social unrest in every country they’ve been dumped in, thereby destabilising all of Central Europe while the money men take over their countries unopposed, thanks to this disgraceful agenda of wilful human displacement.

          They call them ‘refugees’ & ‘immigrants’ but resistance fighters is what they are, no more no less, and resistance fighters against the very same Empire which claims to have been disbanded but which maintains financial and social control in every country they’ve ever been in dome the years.

          Only Iran, Syria & Afghanistam remain beyond their reach and there’s not long left for them either.

          (We can discount North Korea as it’s just another Western sock puppet used to scare us into fearing yet another fake threat, ergo justifying increased militarism and internal security measures, not unlike the entire empirically engineered ‘Terrorism’ package itself.*)

          When the true ‘terrorists’ who caused both wars remain in power, we have to ask ourselves for what, exactly, did all those poor people give their lives, when the very same Empire from 100 years ago rules this world still and seemingly without the majority of people even being aware of it?

          Jolly good trick, what?!

          (*See ‘False Flags & Hoaxes’ for further information.)

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