I find this subject utterly wearisome and depressing.
To explore the world view that would create such a “fancy dress” creation is to look into the abyss.
However, I do not think we have a choice.
Of course, it is too easy in the digital age to live inside a self-affirming algorithmic bubble.
However, it is much healthier to be in a situation where your ideas are challenged and that means to experience belief systems that are anathema to your own values.
That does not mean that it isn’t a sometimes very unpleasant experience.
This is one of those times.
Orangeism has been a warm house for such ideas for generations.
The Herrenvolk sense of entitlement authorised eliminationist rhetoric against Irish Catholics.
“KAT” is regularly seen on 11th night bonfires.
That stands for “Kill All Taigs”.
Therefor, it should come as no surprise that a Holocaust themed fancy dress ensemble involving children was part of the festivities at one Orange Hall in Scotland.
So a hat tip is in order to the Sunday Herald for revealing this to their readership.
Like the Holocaust itself, it is the aspect of planning that is truly appalling.
At least one of the adults in the photograph thought this as a jolly jape.
Let’s assume that it was Daddy Bear.
Then there were the costumes for the children.
Was that task allotted to mother dear?
Naughty little Juden!
Good grief.
You do not need to be a scholar of Babi Yar massacre or the dynamics of the Wannsee Conference to see this as an appalling abuse of children and a hate crime.
What we are witnessing is a self-harming sub culture that destroys those who remain within it.
Then with all the PR skills of a certain young Prophet (peace be upon him), the Orange Order came out all drums blazing.
Here in the north east of this country, we are no strangers to the problems of Orange “culture”.
However, there are elected representatives in Ireland who will call it out for the hate fest that it is.
Orangesim is a fascist subculture and the fancy dress ensemble on the front page of the Sunday Herald yesterday was no innocent faux pas.
Rather, the Holocaust “humour” was entirely in keeping with how the Herrenvolk of Fair Caledonia see themselves.
After all, they also find An Gorta Mór funny.
A picture is worth a thousand words and the Sunday Herald has done the state of Scotland some service in publishing this image.
It is now for the political establishment in Holyrood to discuss this belief system as an urgent social problem.
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In much of the debate about the constitutional issue in Scotland, there is a general failure to recognise that the interests of the British imperial state are protected by a range of organisations and ideologies which deny the right of the oppressed to challenge it.
Nationalism, in Scotland and in Ireland, is today essentially anti-colonial and anti-imperialist in nature. It is not in any sense the nationalism of the right-wing demagogues who, serving the interest of capital, tore Europe apart and fed the rise of Russian nationalism disguised as international communism, under the banner of murderous anti-Semitism.
The fight for national self-determination is a fight for civil rights, a fight for liberation, a fight to throw off the mind forged manacles of imperial Britain and the strictures imposed by its unthinking footsoldiers. Among the ranks of said footsoldiers is the Orange lodge. It is a reactionary organisation whose raison d’etre is to protect the status quo in British society. As many of us realise, Rangerism, the raising of native troops to protect imperial interests, is and associated ideology, adding to a phalanx of similar hate-filled tendencies which stand in the way of national self-determination in Ireland and Scotland.
The problem of how to tackle it, from the flags to the parades, to the anti-social, anti-intellectual activities of its membership, is complicated by the failure of the mass media to address it as a problem. The Sunday Herald deserves applause for running with the story. But do not wait for the rest of the media to follow suit, nor the Scottish Labour Party, which has petted the beast to apparent subservience with free access to public facilities across the land, to lead the criticism.
There remains stories that the Scottish media will not touch, and the dangers posed by such a reactionary force as Orangeism is among them. Few anti-colonialist, or should I say freedom fighters, operate in the Scottish media, where independent thought is not generally encouraged. However, the direct negative impacts of a vociferous, reactionary under-class commandeering many public spaces throughout the more than six-month long marching season, is one that must be addressed.
Can anyone imagine travelling to America and seeing the Klu Klux Klan being allowed to march through any black neighbourhood in any state? So why do we close our streets and pen in the public to allow an admittedly small band of reactionary neds to celebrate their hatred of all things un-British?
There are many voices in the mass media who come from traditions of presbyterian protestantism who, while laughing up their cuffs at the spectacle of Orangeism, refuse to condemn it, or call out those who support it, be it insecure Glasgow Labour politicians trying to prevent SNP success, or the kirk ministers who bless the shenanigans of the order and its followers. I would also include in their ranks the many sports journalists who profess support for various minnow teams, to conceal their adherence to the establishment ghost at Ibrox.
We have all got to ask politicians one question:
Since when did it become a badge of honour in any society to defend anyone’s right to hate?
Isn’t it about time to put Orangeism back in the cupboard with the rest of British imperialisms skeletons?
Sorry for the rant Phil, but this is a real problem that requires active political consideration with a view to containing it.
On the positive side, let’s all revisit our shared gaelic past, and build alliances towards the furtherance of the anti-imperial project.
And one final thing… well done Scott Sinclair. You have just taken a few short steps towards full canonisation as the next Henrik Larsson. Hail, hail.
Well said Mach1 it is about time that the OO was made to pay in full for the disruption they inflict on the people of Glasgow.
They should be sent a Bill for their parades and the policing of their Orange celebrations. The same goes for any other organisation who want to parade through the streets of Glasgow the only exception being the many local community parades where we have floats and local people including children and local employers who hold celebrations which celebrate the many advantages of the areas they live and work in.
Just to clarify I never said a Catholic could not become prime minister I mearly repeated the statement from a senior civil servant when discussing Blair’s situation and that it would lead to serious constitutional problems this was some time ago as Blair was still in office but I am nevertheless grateful that we are now at least slowly moving in the right direction
Its beyond belief that two parents could think that dressing up as Nazis with their children clothed as Jewish children is in any shape or form acceptable.
That they were awarded top prize by their peers says it all.
What mind set do these numpties have, if indeed they have minds!
The statement from the OO, or their spokesperson, condemns the Herald for attacking their Protestant kulture……attacking the messenger not the message is the usual response when the message, as in this case, is indefensible and yes without doubt the local childrens authority should be paying the parents a visit.
If this is their public face what in heavens name are the children being exposed to behind closed doors?
Growing up in Airdrie i thought I had seen and heard it all from the peepul how low can these pond like creatures get
Quite simply……repugnant.
Name me one politician in Eire who has criticised the OO?
Maybe Phil you might think about contacting the editor of the Letterkenny Post, Chris Ashmore, who only last week had front-page and inside coverage of the OO in Rossnowlough (and as he does every year). He seems to have a liking for this organisation having a couple of years ago, covered the Raphoe LOL launch of their new banner which was nicely emblazoned with ” No Surrender”. Perhaps you could direct him to this article, the Sunday Herald piece and the one by JJ.
Thanks.
Gerry Adams TD
The only one and the one only.
We’re all here celebrating the apparent ‘death’ of Loyalism in the same week the UK government hands them a one and a half billion pound tax free nugget to buy these ‘peepil’s’ continued loyalty …
Now that’s what I call irony of the highest order.
No doubt some of this money will be syphoned off to keep their cultchur alive.
Now, if we could only get Louis Theroux to do a documentary on the OO….
It appears to me that the Herrenvolk are at times somewhat confused as to where their loyalties/hatreds lie. I refer to the constant display of the Star of David and the Israeli flag at Ibrox. This is of course in opposition to our display of the Palestinian flag and our support of their people and the racism they face on a daily basis on the Gaza strip.
It seems like the People don’t really put much thought into being racists and it’s more like a case of any racism will do as long as it’s racist and the polar opposite to what we support. It’s hypocrisy to go to a fancy dress as Hitler with your kids dressed as Jewish children when you fly a flag supporting Judaism at Ibrox. But then again we aren’t exactly talking about people with much brain power here.
Disgusting pics which show the mindset of those whose belong to this fossil of a organisation, only good thing happening about the orange order today is it is without doubt becoming smaller, fewer are joining up, if you watch them marching ( well some shuffle along and others strut but most look as though they have sh*t themselves ) you will notice that lots of them are fossils and their sell by date is almost up without the required replacements to take over their, wait for God given right to strut wherever they please.
So dont be too hard on them, the sons and daughters of Willie, they are defending their way of life in case the Pope sends over a army of French mercenaries or a fleet of Spanish ships, so the brave people that they are, they see themselves as under siege, fighting to keep freedom alive from those who would destroy them, what the idiots dont get is that they are destroying themselves, by refusing to live in harmony and equality with their neighbours and by still having a mindset of living in the year 1690, remember 1690, FFS I can’t even remember what I had for dinner last night.
I think it’s the Mexicans & Portuguese they’re more worried about right now, tbh.
Why is everyone bent on blaming the Orangemen and rangers fans/club for the bigotry and intolerance expressed. Both institutions are seen as supporters of the establishment so how can they be punished for practicing what the establishment preaches. The fact that in a so called democracy a Catholic MP becoming the PM would lead to “series constitutional problems” as stated unchallenged by a senior civil servant on TV, leads me to believe that we are fooling ourselves wasting energy by targeting the most gullible and least educated in society when we should be targeting our politicians directly. Perhaps the SMSM could play a role maybe not
There’s no bar to a Catholic becoming PM only the Lord Chancellor who needs to be CofE (which constitutional anachronism should have barred our entry to the EU). If you think I’m wrong IDS is a.Catholic – yeah really- and stood as Conservative leader in a general election.
David Cameron repealed the sectarian aspects of the Act of Settlement in 2013. This repeal involved removing restrictions on Catholics being the British Prime minister.
Right, I’ll try to be ‘British President’ next week then …
And was Prime Minister when?
The ban was only removed in the last 5 years
I can only describe the Orange Order as a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace – remind you of anyone? They have been an urgent social problem for far too long.
Phil is quite right where he says that free speech stops where incitement begins. I certainly don’t take offence to anyone having a view contrary to my own, but I do object when that view is broadcast through incitement, intimidation and hostility.
In fairness, the pomp and pageantry of an Orange walk is quite a spectacle to someone without the slightest clue as to what it’s all about, as is the Last Night of The Proms with it’s celebration of imperialism through boisterous renditions of Rule Britannia, Land of Hope & Glory etc.
Some people have said to me that Flower of Scotland as a national anthem is wrong because of anti-English sentiment but it is so different – it’s about standing against oppression – sending the bully home to think again – rather than promoting oppression.
I believe the Orange Order are disingenuous in their claims of celebrating ‘protestant culture and heritage’ and my reasons are because I don’t believe they are all church-going folk, I don’t believe they are respectful or tolerant towards all denominations of faith and I don’t believe the message they relay is positive or forward thinking. Theirs is a celebration of triumphalism over Catholics – plain and simple – and I do not think it is acceptable in the 21st Century.
It is for those reasons I think they should be banned from marching in Scotland and indeed anywhere else in mainland Britain where they participate in their luminous pageantry of hatred. I’d like to see the marches banned in Ireland too but I think that would set the peace process into reverse.
That I believe in a united Ireland has nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism or Protestantism. I’m not religious or Irish. I simply believe that the island of Ireland should be as one, governing its own affairs and promoting tolerance and respect throughout its communities and beyond.
Credit to the Herald, however, why the need to blank out the faces of the adults?
On this particular occasion, the perpetrators would have been spared reprisals from the Klan at least.
Identifying the parents could identify the children. This is, quite rightly, not allowed.
But if the parents can be identified by the authorities, then consideration should be given to taking them into care.
We are talking about individuals who openly posed for this picture aren’t we?
If anyone needs protection here it’s the rest of civilised society;- from the people who walk freely amongst us in modern life yet openly engage in this vile and reticent behaviour perpetuating this mindset. They should be made known to us all if for no ther reason than to ostracise them at every opportunity.
What has prompted the Herald to run this story with pictures from 2013 and on their front page?
An outbreak of journalism in “Fair Caledonia”.
Who’s next in their cross hairs, Minty Murray??
Almost certainly the images just became available to them and then they stood the story up.
No need for a conspiracy theory.
The truth is usually prosaic.
I wasn’t suggesting a conspiracy theory.
I was surprised that the Herald decided to run the story and put the images on their front page.
I’ve lived in Glasgow for 55 years and I can’t recall seeing such an expose of the Orange order.
If, as you say, he pictures have just become available to the Herald, then there hasn’t been much in the way of investigative journalism involved. An article like this could easily have been published previously. It’s not just at their private parties that they shame themselves and the rest of Scottish society.
I hope that the Herald continue to take the brave pills. They could turn their attention to other shady institutions.
In addition to, although obviously a deal less significant than, the appalling actions and attitudes of the fancy dress party organisers, is the stupidity of the OO and Club 1872 issuing clearly-templated statements. Whatever credibility they may have been seeking from people not already convinced of their skewed world view, they will get none from such identically-worded outrage. If it is beyond their collective intellect to express such outrage in two DIFFERENT manners, then that intellect will sway no-one who needs swaying.
It resembles the anti-Corbyn tabloid press in the recent General Election. Easily refutable nonsense which persuaded no-one not already persuaded of the “dangers” of Corbyn as PM but inspired new voters to support the man under unreasoned attack. Result: Labour 40%.
Long may the OO and Club 1872 NEVER learn.
Let’s get to the nitty-gritty these people are death squads in waiting when they sing and talk quite openly about killing another or other sections of society we are just one excuse away from it happening after all ‘up to our knee’s in fenian blood’does not stipulate the age of the fenian so you take from that song they will kill our children,these people are all potential Thomas Hamiltons and when you watch in amazement members of labour/Tories courting them encouraging them for votes don’t forgive them because they know what they do they think the OO is on a leash…we know different.
Yes, people who sing about the glory of killing people are all mass murderers in waiting. Like Scotland fans singing the national anthem, or Americans glorifying killing the Brits when they sing the Star Spangled Banner. Get a grip.
Not sure that a song about defending your borders against invasion is quite the same as going on the offensive?
I’m of the firm belief that whilst there is still a Union these lunatics are at least on the end of a chain from Westmingster.
You think it’s bad now just think what it would be like for Catholics in a Scotland free to do as it pleases under the secret societies.
Better the devil you know…
The first part of your post is correct, the Unuonists have always been their lap dog kept on a loose leash.
However, you then completely revers its impact by bowing down to Westminster rule by saying it’s okay that we know that this happens, so should eff all to change it.
So which is it, Charlie:
Let the Masons in The House use the Loyalists as attack mutts on behalf of the entire UK lest the taigs get uppity or try for an independent Scorland that might clean out their Mingin Stables once and for all ..?
And, for the avoidance of doubt, the SNP will NEVER do that but who needs the SNP if the true citizens of Scotland are united against their known common enemy?
You won’t get an Independent Scotland without the SNP pushing for it.
Life under them (unrestricted by the overseers in London) would be a precarious situation for the 840,000 Catholics (15.9% of the population) currently residing in Scotland.
You don’t have to be a paid up member of the Ludges to have a dislike of Catholics and a great many who think like this are already sitting in positions of influence throughout Scottish Society.
The Catholic voice in Scotland is small but at least with 4 plus million other Catholics situated over the border ( and in influential positions) it still has considerable numbers behind it ensuring things won’t get out of hand.
Cut that support off at your own peril.
Just how l see it.
‘Over the border’?
Do you mean in England?
If so, do you think, in the aftermath of a bloody independence battle where the media have shat all over Scotland, that ANYONE in England would want to spend another minute in the company of anyone based in Scotland?
You’ve seen the division one daft banner can cause amongst our support, imagine what it would be like then.
And, amidst all this chaos, the SNP would be first in line with their ‘Abolish Catholic Schools’ policies to undermine and stupefy us once again.
That’s a terrible argument for retaining the Union. Their “culture” is based on knowing your place and who to tug your forelock to. Take what you are given and be happy, don’t be different or talk out of turn or you’ll get a kicking.
We shouldn’t kowtow to anyone who thinks in this regressive, oppressive manner. Nor should we run scared of them and accept the status quo, in case it sets them off.
This is not an argument for retaining the Union as I’m not against Independence indefinitely just not at the moment (due to the unstable and volatile financial predicament the World is in at the moment) it’s merely me pointing out the potential pit falls for Catholics in an Independent Scotland being run by peepul/people who have no regard for our faith.
Be careful what you wish for is all l am saying.
Excellent commentary. Kudos to the Sunday Herald for printing the story and the accompanying photographs . These people are an embarrassment to our solar system. Maybe publishing their names and locus and bringing them more into the light would be a service to the community as a whole.
The release by the orangie order is comedy of the highest order. Don’t mention anything to do with the war, deny deflect blame everyone else. Play the victim card . They are a totally rancid,rancorous ,vile organisation. Christians! Aye Right.
Last week on one of the beautiful sunny days l went for a walk on the,suitably attired in T shirt,shorts and my beloved Reefs. I was listening to the Dropkick Murphys on my IPod when I noticed a lady waving at me from about 30metres away. “Watch where you’re walking son. That big dug dun a huge shite and that durty bastard legged it and didnae pick it up.”
I looked along the beach and saw this humongous Rottweiler and its owner depart hurriedly over the dunes.
When I looked at my feet ,my left foot was completely encased in Rottweiler shite. It looked like a dark brown Mr Whippy only it didn’t look or smell as appealing as a Mr. Whippy.
It covered the whole of my left foot, my flip flop ,in between my toes and under my toenails
I tried everything to get rid of the canine faecal matter,going into the sea,rubbing bare feet through the sand and the grass but without success. The vile smell of dog doings permeated my car my feet and Reefs , and even my house.
The point of my story is this Phil. As I read your blog today I was struck by a Damascus moment. The Rottweiler turd was karma .
The orangie order is lower than dog shite.
I apologise for going on so long, but I felt that this needed to be shared.
No Sevco intellectuals could be found to comment on this story “
Kingsnake,
Probably to protect the children. If the parents were identified the children would most likely be too.
What is more stunning/alarming is that they managed to achieve first prize in the fancy dress competition as voted for by their peers…….
A tribute to the royal family always goes down well:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm
The “statement” from the Orange Order reads like something the Peoples Front of Judea would come out with…
I’d say it’s more in the manner of the Judean Peepil’s ‘Front’ …
Like it’s always been.
its obvious that the young Prophet Je suis Chris (peace be upon him) is now writing the Orange Order statements and those of that rabid crazy bunch called Club 1872… words, phrase’s and the template and layout are identical. Dis he really think we wouldn’t notice these things!!
Hate crime? wtf?
Are Enlightenment values just a joke to people these days? Does freedom of expression mean nothing? Do we not defend speech we find offensive?
Je suis un orangeman. Je suis nazi fancy dress.
If you cannot distinguish between free speech and hate speech then, like the adults in the picture, you are beyond help.
Those two in the picture are still identifiable to those that know them .. hardly the best cover up. The could easily have pixelated their faces much better than that.
Eh? How many were there that night dressed as Adolf Hitler then? I have no doubt they are known to one and all. Especially to those that voted them first prize.
The Supreme Court has regularly ruled that hate speech is protected under the First Amendment. The First Amendment is a glorious testament to the power of good ideas to overcome bad ones, it trusts in humans, it frees us from being told by those in power what is permitted to be thought and said.
The freedom of speech that allowed people to speak out for gay rights is the same freedom of speech that allows people to call for restrictions on gay people’s rights, one cannot exist without the other.
It also allows for freedom of the press, I assume you’re in favour of that?
But the UK has dismissed all of this with its insidious and odious hate crime legislation and the Leveson neutering of the press, and the kettling of protesters also denies them the right to “peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” Not to mention the absolute demolition of our rights granted under the Magna Cart by Tony Blair’s minority (of votes) government. And various Tory ones too before and since.
If you want to argue that hate speech is not free speech I’ll happily take that on, but you’ll have to tell me what free speech is if it’s not the ability to offend and say things that are currently socially unacceptable. Speech that is uncontroversial does not need defending.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1293_1o13.pdf
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.fb986de7cc97
Free speech stops where incitement begins.
Now your trolling here is over.
Bye bye.
I would like to point out that First Amendment has been used as a cover for hate speech forever. When it is used correctly for free speech it has the greatness with which it is intended. When people use it to decry injustice it is being used in what my opinion is the way it was intended.
When people use documents and texts and interpret them so as to call for the subjugation, elimination, exclusion or discrimination of one group of people over the other then they are in fact indulging in hate speech and anyone that cant see that is willfully blind.
The First Ammendment is one of the most generalised texts that form the constitution of the USA. The second amendment is possibly the least generalised, and subsequent legal challenges have enforced the ‘right’, with no regard to the original intent to ensure a readily armed militia to repel a British invasion. Ultimately, the first amendment drowns in semantics and it can be argued that free speech, hate speech , silence and a combination of all are
prized as an expression of collectivity or individualism. The right to practice religious beliefs, or not, is a central tenet of this constitutional edict. Contrast this with every speech the Trump administration has made against Muslims/Islam, infering that the religion breeds terrorists and you can see the problem. The first amendment ensures the right of a renegade Mullah to incite Muslims to jihad against the US infidel, provided he does not threaten the President directly (US Code T18 S871 – often cited as a law that breaches the 1st amendment) , just as it enshrines the right of the President to incite Christians to his crusade against the Moor and his allies. Yet, the same legislation does not permit US citizens to question the political system under which its citizens are governed. It is a fact that the Communist Control Act , 1954, supercedes the 1st amendment with regards to political expression. The constitutional right to free speech, hate-orientated or otherwise, only applies if your not a “Commie”. Semantics rules the day here, You can spout whatever the hell you like in the good ol’ USA but screw your “constitutional rights” if you disagree with capitalism, ergo no such right as free speech, no such tangible thing as the 1st Amendment of the constitution of the USA. The point I’m trying to make, I guess, is that any law made is not intended to work in our favour or enshrine our existential rights, it is intended to keep us squabbling amongst ourselves and provide the established systems of government with a caveat to enforce control should we exercise any signs of communal dissent. Im all for written constitutions, I just dont believe they are worth the tree thst died to record them
You don’t have a scooby!! ?
Good post, Gav.
You’ve pretty much covered this whole farce of a ‘democracy’ we’re all meant to be so happy about and shown it up for the elitist con trick it is, and by using the very words of the law statutes themselves to illustrate your point.
Incredible that the info here, and that which I’m about to impart, can be found in any public library, or simply by typing the keywords into your search bar, yet so few folk hardly even know about it, far less believe it.
For this alleged ‘free society’ of ours is clearly nothing but an inside joke when most folk don’t even know that the Unites States is not even NOT A COUNTRY but is, in fact, a corporation, (The Virginia Company) wholly conceived, owned and operated by the UK, and that the only ‘sovereign’ part of America is the masonic Washington DC triangle itself.
The rest of the once sacred lands are now, and have always been, just a meat market primed for maximum exploitation.
Also consider that The City of London is likewise a sovereign statelet unto itself, likewise enshrined in law, and compare this with the supreme sovereignty of the Vatican City in Rome, and we see a picture emerge of quite a powerful little triangulation of completely untouchable western power condensed into these little mini-nations.
Odd that we can still be so fooled by a fact thats been at our very fingertips since its original conception.
So, it logically follows that if they can fool us with stuff like this, what else are they hiding from us ..?
I’m curious why the adults faces’ were blanked out …
If the children could be identified through the adults they have to blank out the adults to protect the children.