I love train journeys, but I’m glad I wasn’t on this one.
The unfortunate passengers were exposed to a diseased belief system that used to be the mainstay of Scottish culture.
A police spokesperson said:
“The first suspect is white with ginger hair and was wearing a blue Puffa-style jacket and a blue Rangers scarf.”
Almost a century ago the Church and Nation Committee of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland reported on a worrying social problem.
They were concerned about folk like me dear reader.
In 1923 these staunch men met in dignified conclave on the Mound to discuss “the Menace of the Irish Race to our Scottish Nationality”.
The authors of the report made it quite clear, on the second page in fact, that they had no issues with Scottish Catholics, from the Highlands as they were of the same race.
Yes, they used the “R” word.
It was the Irish that concerned them.
Apparently, my lot brought nothing positive to the Scottish table.
Only disease, drunkenness and crime.
As late as 1953 the same Christian body referred to the Irish in Scotland as an “alien race”.
I’ve found that individuals don’t change much, but generations do, and that can impact upon organisations over time.
Therefore, it was heartening that as the new millennium dawned, the Church of Scotland offered a formal apology for the 1923 report.
Rev Alan McDonald, the convener of the Kirk’s church and nation committee in 2002, said:
“We have to face up to the ugly side of Scotland today.”
That ugliness was on the train at Glasgow Queen Street.
However, these ARE the good old days in Scotland.
What was mainstream in Fair Caledonia a century ago is now only found in a dysfunctional subculture that stinks of educational underachievement and social failure.
You will know them by their noise.
Sadly, the Sevco match day experience still provides a safe space for the ethos of that 1923 Church and Nation Committee report.
Consequently, an echo of that old belief system can still be heard in 21st century Scotland.
Fortunately, it is a death rattle, but we must push hard for its final extinction.
Therefore, I think it would be a good idea if the board of the Holding Company Vehicle were to unequivocally state, in plain language, that songs like ‘The Billy Boys’ and ‘The Famine Song’ were not welcome at Sevco matches.
Moreover, they must do that with unambiguous regularity until the Penny Arcade drops for The People.
Those days are gone, and the casual racism that their grandfather’s indulged in is no longer acceptable in modern Scotland.
When incidents like this appear in the media silence from the Sevco High Command sends the wrong message.
Unequivocal condemnation must be their default setting when The People give vent to their hatreds while in Sevco colours.
If the Blue Room chaps were to do that, then they just might actually make some friends on the journey.
Unlike the Churchillian chaps on that train at Queen Street.
I believe in time these things will be eradicated from our society. It will take time and some people take longer to accept the new multi cultural society we now live in. I believe with hard work and education these people can change their behaviours. It wasn’t that long ago we had a game held up at our ground to remove “an assortment of fruit” from the pitch.
We have eradicated this from our stadium and I believe others have done the same.
The shb culture at tynecastle has almost been removed due to hard work and a change in attitude of their support. It is taking a fair bit longer but hopefully the people at sevco change too.
I disagree with Phil. I think that racism and sectarianism in a modern Scotland is openly accepted. The days of “what school did you go to?” still exist, it’s just that intelligent Catholics circumvented these archaic bigots by getting better qualifications and found better jobs elsewhere with more enlightened employers.
There are more people openly questioning the behaviours of the Blue Kux Klan but when it comes down to it, the core of Scotland is a bigoted toilet.
There is not a chance in Hell that this type of behaviour will be eradicated. Scotland and its inherent majority establishment bigotry, which is always just simmering under the surface, nurtures and panders to these animals because, when push comes to shove, they side with said animals.
If these people were to be given further political voice by the likes of our SNP friends who like bills of parliament that “even things up” then they will be able to openly express their anti catholic anti Irish rhetoric whenever it suits them……………
Wait a minute…………….
And they had their fun in Dundee on Sunday as police stood outside this gentleman’s store while they ransacked it and sang racist ( would you believe it?) songs.
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/rangers-fans-raided-500-booze-store-claims-dundee-shopkeeper/
Boycott, Boycott, Boycott http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/linfield-fans-urged-to-boycott-glentoran-game-over-billy-boys-tune-legal-action-threat-35476080.html
I noticed there were 54 comments so far ,, I’m billy and I’m going for 55
Chuckle, chuckle
it might be an awful reminder that people don’t want to admit to, but there was 40,000 of cranking out “i’d rather be a paki than a hun” and similar songs on a regular basis late 80s / early 90s at parkhead.
times change, slower for some than others.
Ronald about the above. I was at same game when Celtic fans were chanting Ad Rather be a Darkie than a Hun . Which started in reply to The Rangers Fans terrible Abuse of Paul Wilson . Of course this was forgotten by most of The WASPS by the time their first Black Player Mark Walters had been signed by Sir David Minty . In fairness to The Huns Mark Walters also received terrible abuse by Tic Fans when he played against us at Parkhead .When lots of Celtic fans went to the game with bunches of Bananas not to eat i must add. The same player also though received abuse from The WASPS. one Rangers fan I worked with sent his season book back because they had signed a black player .Probably one of many to do so.
I’d be willing to bet a fair few Celtic fans have likely used not so flattering language for other races, religions and minority groups in the past …..
and likely a few still hold views that would not be considered particularly enlightened today.
However, there is world of difference between then and now and between a few idiots and the legions from Mordor.
It would be interesting to see the opinions of other minority groups and which club is percieved as more welcoming….
Same thing happened to my family and I on New Years eve last year. We were travelling home from a festive meal in Glasgow and boarded the Kilmarnock train getting off at Barrhead. I was greeted with four cretins belting out no pope of Rome with full gusto. I asked them to pipe down and that it was the season of good will to all men. I then received a torrid of abuse in front of my family. I reported the matter to police Scotland who came and took a statement but nothing ever came of it. Scum bags and sectarian bigots who tarnish Scottish society. I really do despise them.
Equality has, and always will be their enemy. It has been inequality and prejudice that historically, has put food on their tables.They are like a mad exacerbated caged animal facing extinction, clinging on to bygone days of old, when a level playing field was totally out of the question.They have always been on the wrong side of history. I think they are beginning to realise that as well, thus the stubborn unwavering anger and aggression. The fairer society is finding them out big style. Let us all just leave them behind. A good article Phil well written, and thanks to people like you and despite the hostility, their nonsense continues to be exposed.
Chapeau……………
eldiplomato
I love this site and other such as JJ and The Clumpany.
Not only for the insights,exposes and satire which they bravely and freely as humanly possible provide their readerships.
We have no MSM capable of such bravery to provide these truths indeed most are more than happy to go along with the fairytales spun out from level 5. Their career prospects, their safety or their simple desire to peddle this continuation pish are much more important than the honest offerings of the humble correspondent who authors this site.
However, this may well be well written but is far from balanced and IMHO Phil would do well to bring a bit more objectivity to articles of this nature.
I remember well leaving Celtic Park in disgust with a Pakistani friend from Uni after the singing of the song mentioned by Reginald.
We should remember that we have plenty in our own ranks who stink of educational under achievement and social failure.
On this occassion “Chapeau” my arse,
James I agree entirely re elements of our own support. My previous posts and the one below, give emphasis to that. Phil at times can stereotype in relation to Scotland as a whole and its “social” issues. With this offering I felt that he took time to recognise positive change, and in that regard found it well written and balanced. For the record I dont read JJ. I think he lacks credibility, and the suggestion that he is a bluenose, lacks substance for me.
Phil,
I was on a Metro 2yrs ago … with some of the Tic’s finest … in Milan.
It was all great Craic – when your loyal troops asked why I was living in Milan and who would I be supporting – then it went a little “Pete Tong” … when the well-lubricated ‘Tic Loyal regaled all of carriage about the virtues of the IRA … for 10mins+.
People in glass houses, old chap … and this from an Aberdeen fan … no Hun.
That being said, “Chapeau” to your continued work on the Sevco front … where I feel compelled to donate.
Best regards,
IT Expat.
There is a train (no pun intended) of thought that the Scots were part of the Pictish tribes and not Irish. There is no evidence (or very very little) that the Irish came over and were called Scotti. Any way, it’s no matter, Sevco are like the Romans. Sooner or later they will all bugger aff!!! Cheers
According to google 13% of Scotland’s population have red hair, 10% of Ireland’s population have red hair. Scotland and Ireland are, percentage wise, the two largest concentrations of red hair on the planet. But there are, albeit smaller groupings, red haired people found in many other national groupings. I’ve met red-haired Arabs, Italians, Scandinavians, Germans, Portuguese and a red-haired man from Senegal. I think it’s about time to stop portraying red-haired people in a negative light. There was no need to mention the colour of that man’s (the man on the train) hair, as if his hair colour proved he was a typical Scot. He could have gotten his red hair from the Vikings. Erik the Red (Leif Erikson’s da) was a ginger. There are too many famous red-haired Scots and Irish to mention but here’s a few who aren’t Scottish or Irish: Boudicca, Barbarossa, Richard the Lion Heart, a load of them Spartans, Elizabeth 1 of England, that bastard Cromwell, Winston fuckin’ Churchill, Malcolm X (a good man) and many more. Just thought I’d throw this in here as I’m fed up with hairism shown against red-haired people.
It’s just Kulchur TImmy.. KULCHUR!
WWTP
Does it give descriptions of the other 4 Hazard a guess they were various shades of White Supremacist; clad in Red White and Blue; Billy (Bully) Boys sung and Men, women and children terrified. Let’s protect our rail workers safe but what the hell were they or the Polis doing on protect us from these Scum. Scotland shame.
Am I being too optimistic if I believe they will be caught and jailed . Doubt it very much.
The Police were probably joining in or, at the very least, tapping their toes.
As storm Doris blows in will the fragile Ibrox roofs take the heavy rain, snow and gales?
Does the Chairman in Jo’burg care, worry or stress about this?
I may be wrong but I have always believed that back in the days when the Picts and Celts ruled over large tracts of this country a new people emerged the ” Scots” from who we get our name the Scots came from North East Ireland but again maybe I am wrong. As for the rangers fans song book they are “the people” and are simply practicing what the establishment preach. The Constitution is blatantly anti Catholic as stated, on TV by a senior civil servant during a documentary when asked about Tony Blair’s dalliance with Catholicism,” a Catholic prime minister would lead to serious constitutional problems”. Perhaps our elected politicians need to be told equality means equality for all.
“To be honest with you, the club has got great history, wonderful traditions and they just need somebody with a lot of money behind it who are going to produce the goods.”
Derek Lambass sucking up to the Sevco support with their ‘wonderful traditions’ yesterday.
You do know what this statement means, right ..?
Hey Gringo,
Your not per chance implying that MASH and his team are still interested in this lot,are you?
Scotland receives its name from the “Scots” or “Scotti” who were the Irish.
The late Roman’s referred to Ireland as Scotti Major and Scotland as Scotti Minor.
The Irish Saints writing to Rome, referred to themselves as Scots. They had never set foot in Scotland. Eventually Pope Leo X granted Scotland the exclusive right to the name. Politics.
“Pope Leo X of the Roman Catholic Church eventually granted Scotland exclusive right over the word, and this led to Anglo-Scottish takeovers of continental Gaelic monasteries (e.g. the Schottenklöster).”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia
By the time the Roman’s had left Britain the Kingdom of Dalriada had been established by Irish (Scots) populating Scotland bringing Gaelic with them.
The Irish also brought Christianity, from Donegal with St Columba to Iona. St Aiden left Iona to evangelise the Northumbrians.
Gaelic was spoken in the Middle Ages all over southern and central and Western Scotland. Edinburgh was a Gaelic speaking city which has been suppressed.
https://global.britannica.com/place/Dalriada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dál_Riata
Every Mc or Mac surname in Scotland comes from Gaelic which is the language of the Irish. Pejoratively called Erse in Scotland after the Reformation.
In our DNA we are all Scots.
The DR hotline is always good for a laugh…..
Rab Devine, West Lothian , said: “Now the Three Stoogies have gone, Rangers should break the bank and bring back Walter Smith. He’d get the defence sorted, at least.”
Break the bank, what bank Rab, you’ve not got one!!!
Before Nicola and her wee gang solve all the problems of the UK and the EU and thw world with their condescending lecturing and hectoring, perhaps they could attend to the small matter of endemic, overt, institutional racism under their noses.
No politician will solve those problems, and any who seriously try will be threatened with more than just a loss of votes. Change will only come when the “peepul” realise they are the problem and then want to change themselves. Unfortunately they don’t, and if history is any indicator never will, see a problem.
And you can shove your snidey anti-SNP tone up yer jacksie an’ aw. Their doing a better job for Scotland than Liebour EVER did.
Yep how dare he slag off the good old SNP!! The roads are at a standstill, the railways are fecked the NHS is even more fecked, don’t even start me on the education and welfare systems but feck it lets just stick our noses into every other countries and it’ll all turn out smashin Seppington!!
Unfortunately the peeps feel that their racism / facism have been rubber stamped by the rise of the right votes on brexit, trump leadingthe loudest mouths tofeel they have a mandate,jackboots on ,drummin scum wee are the peeps
Erm, Brexit has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Last time I checked RFC’s support were ‘making noise’ long before either Trump or Brexit. Nice try tho Student Grant.
Here, here. Blame everything on brexit and trump. People on here are beginning to have the same views as SEVCO fans, blame everybody but themselves. Why is it people are branded as racists if they voted for Brexit or Trump? How dare anyone call me a racist because I voted for both. I have Muslim, Indian, Jewish and Eastern Europeans that I call friends.
It’s not people who voted for Trump or Brexit who are out causing carnage and looting shops and attacking people, its the People who didn’t vote for them. Any excuse for a demonstration or a riot!!DEMOCRACY WON…. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!!
America will thrive under Trump given the time and the UK will thrive outside of Europe.
After living in Glasgow for over fifty years think I know something about” the noise” point was made in a wider context about how it is less likely that these bigots will be disappearing from our streets . Ok Rockys bird
On the east coast mainline around 15 years ago, I had the pleasure of sharing the train with Buckfast swilling squaddies. Two of these fine upstanding poet warriors saw fit to march up and down the aisles shouting for any effing Fenians to make themselves known. What fun we all had.
“You’ll know us by our noise”.
I’ve always been amused by that line.
Utterly depressing. I think it has become worse since RFC died. It’s almost as if they couldn’t care less about doing the right thing – a subconcious acknowledgement that they know their club died and as a result they can now act as they wish.
That’s exactly correct. Being a (northern) Englishman, I thought that, just perhaps, when sevco was formed, fans of the former RFC might actually show a smidgen of humility in their new surroundings.
Obviously I was very quickly disabused of this notion, and feel terribly naive for the thought having even crossed my mind.
Yes ,you most certainly should feel disabused,IF you were ever resident in Scotland you’d have seen and felt these dregs of society first hand.And,I can unsure that thought you had would NEVER have entered your head.
I am resident in the south of England,and most people here have no concept of what it is ‘actually’ like to have grown up in such a vile and bigoted country.They think serfco=Protestant,Celtic= Catholic,and it’s ‘just another football derby.’
I have friends from here going to CP for the next serfco game,I have told them they will be able to see and fell venom,THICK in the air.And,informed them that that game is anything but ‘just another derby’,and it is not just another game in Paradise.
ALL BETS ARE OFF.
My only wish is I was with them to see their faces when they experience it.
Cheers Phil.
Has anyone been charged yet with either attack on the ten year old boys who were bottled two years on the trot on thier way to hampden ? For the crime of wearing rangers colours
It’s far worse now. Horrible. The stuff on their fan forums is beyond contempt. Not human.
Do you mean the Board or the fans?
Both.
These Blue nose Bigots excist all over Britain & Northern Ireland not just Scotland and there all the same fxxxxxg scum
i witnessed a similar incident just after Christmas on a bus going into glasgow but unfortunately it was four of our fans calling people orange bs and singing some distasteful songs.they did stop after being confronted by me and my mate but although we are life long celtic fans we were called orange bs and masonic cs.
Step57
I think you miss the crucial point.
These were not ordinary fans but were members of HM Forces, who could at the drop of a hat be stationed in NI, as ahem lol peace keepers lol.
I remember during the early seventies Archie McPherson commenting in a European tie when Rfc were playing a German team, Dortmund perhaps, and he said that the BAof The Rhine were here in huge numbers to support Rangers. He then said that in a few days time they would be on their way to a tour of duty in NI.
The singing was loud and clear……….the song of choice…….The Billy Boys, with the infamous line, Up to Our Knees in Fenian Blood was blasted out with vigour.
These are the same soldiers who rampaged through Catholic homes, pulling crucifixes and paintings of TVM etc off the walls, urinating and defecting on beds and carpets, doing a Manchaester and a Celtic Park Toilets job in simple little Irish Catholic homes, occupied by people who simply wanted to live ther life out with a apartheid country and in the country their ancestors lived in for over one thousand years, before the British Govt backed down to the Loyalist lol, how funny I find that word to describe people who in April 1914 ,lead by Carson, Craig and General Freddie Crawford were gun running German Mauser rifles through Larne ready to, in the words of Lord lol Carson, Resist with forces any attempt to impose Dublin Rule on us. They were preparing and in negotiation with the Kaiser to fight the British Army……..Loyalisat my arse……they are loyal to sectarianism, racism, Supremicism, apartheid politics. For what it is worth the Irish could not in 1914 have fought against them, so who were they planning to resist? Undoubtedly, the British Army. Loyal aye right.
Hear,hear,well said AB.I am now beginning to think that they themselves have no clue as exactly whom they should be ‘loyal’ to.Such is their demeanour.
Hi Phil,.
Another timely piece charting this ongoing disgraceful behavior of `Scotland`s Shame`
It will be a cold dark day in Heaven before this lot see the light.
And for me,one could say,pigs will fly before they change their ways.
Such a pity,as I always fancied seeing a red,white n blue porker gliding gently toward the bacon slicer.Does that make me,an animal hater,or an animal lover(in the non-biblical sense,I meant in a culinary fashion)Filthy minds,some folks.esp,yon Irvine Welsh.re.FILTH.
Like the saying goes from Apocalypse Now,`I love the smell of napalm in the morning.`
Well,for me it`s bacon,or the new snazzingers fae Asda,bacon and maple syrup…mmmmmm…..
Why did Homer fae the Simpsons come belting through my mind just then??
Peace and bacon for All(although it is in no way compulsory,ie,for Muslims.)
HH
How can you derail a rouge train whose passengers run onto and attack others on the platfrom, and the fat controller makes up stories to jusify it.
They’ll not risk alienating the backward element within their support, there’s little enough money coming in as it is
I was under the impression that the Scots were a mixture of Pict, Gael, Briton, Angle & Norse?
I’ve got a theory about the peepul, On a deep subconscious level I don’t think they think they’re Scottish at all. I think they consider themselves to be the descendants of the Britons of Alt Clut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Strathclyde
It kind of explains the sense of being separate / distinct, the detachment from the rest of Scotland and their identification with the Union. It may be complete bullshit but I can’t think of another reason why they think of themselves as a distinct people.
Wessex,
What you say is true of many Scots. Prof Wilson of Dundee University states that the Pictish DNA(less than 10%)exists in very few Scots, who remember were in fact and Irish tribe, the Scotti. Wilson says most of those with the Pictish gene are located in the far NE of Scotland.
Many people living in Scotland can trace their ancestry solely back to Ireland, without any infusion of Northumbrisn, Briton, Angle, Saxon, Nordic blood at all.
Many of the lowland Scots are an admixture of the above races without any Irish or true Scots blood at all.
The Peepul identify with a past the rest of Britain would rather forget, imperialism, supremacy, slavery, Rule Britannia etc etc. This is reflected in the fact that the KKK was founded by Ulster Scots. They carried this culture to the Southern States of America.
They are in for a shock as the 2021 census will show that Protestants constitute less than 40% of the population of NI with more than 75% of over 65s being Protestants. Under 35s comprise 70% RCs.
Their culture is in fact a dying one. Imagine the ire when this manifests itself in the ballot box and SF gain control of Stormont.
Alfie, “They carried this *culture* to the Southern States of America”
Substitute ‘poison’ for culture?
Oddballs, most of them; didn’t want to integrate so chose to live “in the hills”.
Hill-billies and red-necks, not exactly considered endearing terms, no not anywhere.
“There *culture* is in fact a dying one.”
This is music to the ears. I hope and believe that RC’s will adopt a proper, neighbourly approach and peace amongst all those of faith or of no faith (as I) can live in genuine peace, both in Northern Ireland and Scotland too.
I’d be careful of laying the blame for the KKK solely with the ‘Ulster Scots’. Demographically I think it’s a bit more convoluted than that. You’ll find that those people who both founded and took part in that organisation were from varied white immigrant stock – mixed heritage – especially from the British Isles and Germany. It’s a much overlooked fact that the German immigrants of the early 19th Century were treated even more harshly in that country than many of their Irish counterparts. Like most immigrants once they find their feet, they did what they needed to not to stick out, and that often meant kicking down.
Interestingly though, the ‘scots Irish’ or ‘Ulster Scots’, Appalachian hillbillies and so on, self-identify to this day as being ‘Irish’. Just ‘Irish’. They’re quite proud of that tag.
And before then – the map I have here in front of me for 500AD most of “England” and right up to the Antonine Wall area across “Scotland” was Wales above that line was the Picts – there was NO England or English and there was also NO Irish as Ireland was occupied by the Scots. They weren’t countries as such only areas where some thug decided he wanted to rule as many people and take over as much land as he could for his own benefit. It was always constantly changing as others kept invading these areas – before and after this period – and either took over that population or forced them to move on elsewhere.
The bigotry is not going to be much of a problem in the future as every political party in the UK is sneakily working towards getting the UK into the EU which is then going to be changed into the United States of Europe where England is going to be split into 9 REGIONS, Scotland and Wales are going to be REGIONS of the USofE and Ireland and Northern Ireland are going to be rejoined as a REGION of the USofE. So the bigots will not have any union to be loyal to or separate NI to say that they will not surrender so they are going to be really confused when all of this happens.
Watch – The Brexit and Scottish Independence Scam 01 and The Brexit and Scottish Independence Scam 02 on Youtube to see how the people are being suckered by all of the parties kidding on they are for Independence or Brexit while they are working away sneakily behind the scenes to integrate us into the United States of Europe. Once this is up and running there is going to be NO voting for anyone.
Aye ok and the pope is a reptilian alien as well I suppose?
Phil our fans have a duty to banish our hate songs . Heralding those who commited murders, for what ever reason has no place at football. When thousands of Scots prefer to sing Irish national anthem to thier own , Irish freedom than thier own, then we are as guilty
Oh dear
Singing about the Ira , is not on. Singing about the freedom of others , Ireland showing support for Palestine whilst ignoring our own country fight for freedom is misguided at best .secterianism is alive and well at Celtic park.
A persons nationality is not up for debate.You had a choice one i understand the outcome of. Secterian behavior keeps Scotland under wetmonster control. A crime no one should be complicit with …
Fraser,
Perhaps if the home land of my ancestors had not been deliberately divided to create a racist apartheid sectarian state, which in the words of Viscout Craig was ” A Protestant Country for a Protestant People” says it all. Native Irish were to become second class oppressed people in their own country.
Similarly, Palestine. I suggest that you research the demographics of Palestine before you show your own ignorance of the facts. Even in the 1930s more than 80% of the people and land ownership of Palestine was Arab. Jews constituted less than 10K in the early 30s. The 12 Tribes of Israel were nomadic and had no homeland as such, so historically, the claim to Palestine was predicated on false grounds. The people who flooded into Palestine after the WW II, were Ukrainains, Poles, Germans, Americans etc etc who had no ancestral link to Palestine, they were Jewish as a result of the conversion of an ancestor sometimes recent to the religion. Let us not forget, as I am sure you are aware that Palestine was created in 1917 by The Balfour Agreement, whereby the British government of the day gave away, yes literally gave away someone else’s country and a little research into the Sykes Picot Agreement will I suspect shock you.
Basically, the British sat down with the French and divided up the Middle East, and did the same with the Belgians over Africa.
What gave the British any right to GIVE AWAY SOMEONE ELSES COUNTRY. They did the same with Ireland.
BTW you object to people singing the Soldiers Song………how do you feel about people singing the Star Spangled Banner……..after all, they rebelled against the Crown also.
Perhaps, people of Italian ancestry living in Scotland should not be allowed to celebrate their culture, or how about people of Caribbean ancestry, or from the Indian Sub Continent.
Fraser, go away, sit in a dark room and think very carefully about your perspective of the world.
‘Westmonster’ as opposed to Westminster;is an excellent erreur.Mssr.Frazelled
Therefore, I have to change my nationality to make you feel better about yours?
Oh dear indeed. There is a distinction which is conveniently (or ignorantly) overlooked as justification for the argument that “one’s as bad as the other”. To celebrate one’s own culture and heritage is not itself “hate” no matter how badly it is received by those inimical to that culture.
No one should ever feel “guilty” celebrating their Irish heritage.
That is different from celebrating hate or harm to others. As a wise man recently said “The other is my brother, beyond every barrier of nationality, social extraction or religion.”
PMGB…Author,Prophet,Sports and Investigative Journalist,and Professional Cat-Chucker…pigeons everywhere….BEWARE!!!
Coz this wee debate here has your mark of Professional Cat-Chucking ALL OVER IT.
‘Excellent,’…got the Simpsons belting through my noggin AGAIN,Mr,Burns then.
This is,imho,one of the best I’ve ever had the pleasure of experiencing on your site,BRAVO all who have taken part.
In fact,ENCORE☮ Thanks for the entertainment,and enlightenment.
Mr.Birches seems particularly well read.Just off tae UYATUBE as it’s known in ‘Fair’ Caledonia.Cheers Alfie Bhoy.
I could’ve been good at cat chucking too,but we always had dugs when I was a Bhoy.
Fraser,
can you tell me which songs that Irish nationalists or those who have Republican sympathies sing that are hateful? I’ve listened to these songs for the best part of 50 years and have not heard one that goes on about hating people. There are add ons that fans indulge in but the original songs don’t preach hate unlike those who inhabit the stadium in Govan.
Speaking of Scotland, do you think in 2017 or any other year the Irish diaspora or Irish Scots could have a St Patricks Day parade in Glasgow without there being aggro? It happens all over the world with no bother. Try that here and see the outcome.
Surely, the debate should be about the relevance of certain songs at a Scottish multicultural football match in 2017. All seems a bit romantically immature to me.
He had ginger hair!
He’s a Taig impersonator, giving our club a bad name!
The minds of the mindless can never be changed.
The football club playing at ibrox may have changed but the racist and sectarian neanderthals remain. Same flies different turd! I remember the old club at ibrox were nearing a ban from UEFA because of the sectarian singing and the cardigan addressed the klan asking them to stop the billy boys etc as they would get banned from European football not because it was wrong!
This goes hand in hand with them. Remember Charles Green went on his round the world roadshow? The most asked question was when would they get another Orange strip. They can’t help themselves, their own sectarianism is clearly the fault of “Kaflick schools”. Never understood that argument.
Aren’t trains and platforms equipped with CCTV ?
Is the correct question.
Sectarianism sells Season Tickets. Don’t hold your breath waiting for condemnation…
So does decent football, European football, a proud history, success, a safe environment for children and decent fans.
I’d wager such a club can outsell Deadco 100 to 1.
We are,and it’s called Celtic Football Club,thee only true Worldwide supported club in Scotland.There are other great clubs in Scotland who have fans around the World,but the numbers serfco throw around are wildly exaggerated.
Aberdeen,Hearts,Hibs,Dundee and Dundee Utd will have many supporters clubs all over,and long may that continue.This global fan base will serve them well as Scotland moves forward and the league becomes,hopefully,that bit more competitive.And in doing so will raise the Scottish coefficient at the same time,that can only improve the appeal of the SPFL outside Scotland,taking us back to wider audiences and better and more lucrative TV deals.
Celtic fan I may be,but we need a strong league,and, at present it is in its infancy as far as Worldwide appeal goes.The recent Setanta period was when it was at its most lucrative.
Again,thanks to all who contributed,it has been the best wee debate for a long time.
Good luck to all tax paying clubs.With real unbroken history,history to be proud of.
I hope that train is heading for a terminal and the liquidation station. Might be on the wrong track. But I’m a hopeful soul. Maybe Sevco is heading at full speed for the buffer ends with no lookout to warn them. Apart from yourself Phil. You gave them plenty.