First off, I wouldn’t do it.
A minute’s silence is a minute’s silence.
Even if I personally detested the individual who had passed.
In this case, I don’t, as I had no idea what she was like as a person.
Even if those observing said sixty seconds are a fascist underclass indulging in a “look at us” piece of cringe-worthy performance art.
It is still a minute’s silence.
If you disagree with it, then stay away.
That said, context is essential.
The few of the hardy souls who had travelled from Dundee to watch their struggling team take on Sevco clearly didn’t approve of the mourn porn.
The People were outraged that the visitors from Tayside had committed a breach of the grief.
A hysterical media and the Ibrox klanbase demanded something akin to an unconditional surrender from the Tannadice club.
Instead, they got that statement.
I read that as a very clear and concise “feck off!”
I think this puts the spat in its proper context.
Dear reader, these are historic times for this archipelago.
We here in the Republic of Ireland have a genuine vested interest because the London polity still owns the Six Counties.
When 32 is achieved, what our neighbours in Britain do will rarely be any of our business, especially now that they are not in the European Union.
At the moment, looking over the hedge, it is a strange sight.
A century from now, historians will be excavating the digital archives to explain what happened in the last decades of the United Kingdom.
They might be puzzled and intrigued by these images.
This one is from 2001.
This one is from 2022.
No doubt, they would be utterly baffled that the first photograph produced floor examining silence from a subculture that claimed to be incensed about “paedos”.
While this was happening, the diligent historians would also have many questions about the cost of the macabre pageantry for Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
Are you starting to see it now?
A century ago, Dundee was a centre of excellence for working-class consciousness.
Perhaps it hasn’t all been eradicated in the meantime.
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I don’t condone it and certainly wouldn’t have joined in myself. But as a United fan, we routinely boo the national anthem and Rule Britannia whenever Rangers fans sing it, so it was hardly a surprise. While it will be seen as disrespect to the Queen (and in some cases maybe was), it was really about disrespecting Rangers and their weird beliefs eg putting Britain before Scotland. It would have been less messy to keep quiet, but football fans aren’t the brightest anyway
Stuart
Thanks for clarification & context to United fans behaviour.
I personally do not think breaking a minutes silence when an individual has died is acceptable.
However booing the national anthem is fair game if you are an anti-monarchist. I also think that in light of infamous 3rd verse we are entitled to boo the national anthem in Scotland especially when played by Scots. There was a long history of booing GSTQ at both Hampden & Murrayfield which forced a change in anthem by reluctant authorities.
Many people were reluctant to boo GSTQ in light of Elizabeth’s age but know that she has gone I fully expect a much greater amount of booing for GSTK.
A wee point to Sevco Lurkers…
We live in a DEMOCRACY….( allegedly)
Go and look up the meaning….
Then feck right off.
Whenever there is a minute’s silence to do with the monarchy at Celtic Park I sit in silence but do not stand.
This way I respect the dead but not the Crown.
I have no respect for any sectarian institution.
The statute books call me a Papist who indulges in Popery.
Hardly politically correct terms in this day and age.
Yet they are tolerated in the Act of Settlement and so by this country.
Could you imagine anything on the statute books that used the ‘N’ word or a derogatory term for Jews, Muslims or Hindus?
No? I thought not.
As far as I am concerned the Crown has no relevance for Roman Catholics and so deserves no respect.
However, every death is a very sad thing.
Google: Man U-Alex Ferguson-Grey strip and you’ll see why Celtic looked lost today and Jota actually passing to an opposition player. Both sides had the same colour of shorts. Someone either blew it or played a “blinder” depending on whose side you’re on.
Thought the pre-match chant was very clever.
I see Sky Sports made a announcement apologising if anybody was upset at the minutes applause today regards the singing and the banner .
I’ve never heard then once apologise for the singing of the famine song ,or people being up to their knees in fenian blood .
Which get sung week in week out by the klan .
Agree Phil, my own view on it is not the respect of the person, it’s my own self respect!
Whilst I would observe such a minutes silence, I would not be told how bad I was if I didn’t by the followers of Rangers 2, as I am old enough to remember the late 70’s when this same mob seemed to find it quite acceptable to sing ‘two Pope’s gone but the queen lives on’. Hypocrites to the last!
Storm in a teacup.
Would United fans have done this in any other ground – I suspect not.
United fans were more intent on disrespecting their hosts than dead I suspect.
This was probably about location rather than occasion and in some measure to Ibrox overindulgence on Wednesday night.
After seeing Nigel Farage & Peirs Morgan praising Rangers and bad blood between fans the temptation was just too much for some United fans to stick 2 fingers up to hosts.
If you feel that standing for a minute In silence with your head bowed is respectful and something you want to do, that’s your choice. To spend the minute looking for behavior that upsets you and being upset when you find it is a farce.
Why should a football fan stay away from a football match that has a forced minutes silence re something that has no relevance to said football match?
It lasts a minute.
The concourse would seem to be a reasonable option.
I’m surprised at you Phil. It may only be a minute on the concourse but it’s silencing legitimate dissent and allowing the media to continue their sycophantic claptrap by portraying us as ‘one nation united in grief at the death of our sovereign lady’. Fuck that for a game of soldiers!!!
I agree with your sentiments exactly. My only reservation in this case is that it’s difficult to deliberately go into a football match late as an away supporter. The police are (perhaps overly) keen to get you in smartly, particularly if you’re arriving in numbers. You might be able to go in late if you’re arriving on your own.
I agree with this.
You either respect someone’s right to protest or you don’t, irrespective of whether you support the protest itself.
There are no half measures.
The elephant in the room is, of course, the prohibition of a Catholic monarch. Celtic were founded by a Catholic order and Dundee United drew their support in the early days from Irish immigrants. They changed the rules in 2013 so that the spouse of the monarch might be Catholic, but were rigid in their view about any future King or Queen not being Catholic. Now I’m not a Catholic, but I don’t think that disenfranchment of a large section of her “ subjects “ would appeal to me. Not sure I like being a subject, come to that.
As an aside, Brexit was put to voters as a way of getting rid of a non elected body. Forgetting of Course that Nigel Farage was an elected MEP for many years. But who elected Charles?
Nonsense- religion a non issue in Dundee football for a long time – why did United change their name nearly 100 years ago?
This was about United fans upsetting their hosts who have wallowed on death of Queen.