If I were pressed to sum up the SFA statement about the Resolution 12 issue it would be this:
We cannot adjudicate on the charge.
However, we CAN decide not to pass it on to an authority that can.
So, we have a situation where the SFA has marked their own homework on the granting of a UEFA licence to Rangers for season 2011-2012.
I contacted one of the original Resolution 12 requisitioners for his reaction to the SFA statement, and this is what he said:
“We wrote to SFA in June 2018 with the minutes of HMRC meeting of 21 March 2011 showing the liability had become a payable.
The SFA got the letter from our lawyer asked a couple of questions about its bona fides, never replied and next thing we know it is being referred to CAS.
The original charges were a sham to avoid looking at the grant period.
According to a report from Rangers in May 2018, the grant period had been included but then removed, but no reason was ever given for the removal.
Why did SFA change original charge?
Why when presented with hard evidence, a payable not a potential liability existed at 31 March 2011 did they not respond to our letter or change the terms of the charge put to the SFA’s Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal?”
This entire scandal is l documented from May 2018 on the Resolution 12 archive.
I am convinced that the chaps on the 6th floor at Hampden simply want this issue to go away.
Moreover, I suspect that they are confident of the usual succulent obedience from the Stenography Corps on this shameful scandal.
Plus ça change…
However, what is less easy to explain is the quiescent silence from the Parkhead boardroom on the matter.
What if clubs chairmen were awarded money’s to let the 5way agreement to pass. as I believe there is always a sweetener and the vote could have been 11- 1 in favour for money keep there feet to the fire as many fans of other clubs will want rid of there board if money became the new god
Thanks for the comments. They help determine the appetite for legal redress although what form that might take needs addressed first.
Can Rangers fans not read nor listen?
They continue to howl at the moon whilst ignoring that there was a unanimous decision from the SPFL12 to finish the league now.
UNANIMOUS, that means that your team voted in favour!
Another example of on the one hand Rangers playing to the gallery whilst gladly pocketing the cash payout from the SPFL.
The blue side fans are over the moon at the reported signing of Hagi this morning.Apparently it dispels any doubt as to their financial position!.
Really? Spending what season ticket money that’s come in before the end of May doesn’t augur well for the rest of the season.
On the one hand we have their fans hailing the signing, what an addition etc etc, Hagi having been unable to tie down a place at Fiorentina or Genk, then almost in the same breath they will then sell him on to Real Madrid for between £8 and £20m before he kicks another ball at Ibrox!
Aye best of luck with that one.
If Genk have done their homework on the Ibrox side they should have banked a sizeable chunk of the fee up front, just in case Sports Direct or Memorial Walls come knocking on the door.
It also means Hearts voted for it as well. Its all very beguiling.
My first Celtic game was a Scottish Cup semi-final at Ibrox. We played Saint Mirren and lost 3-1. I’m sure it was 1962. Had we not won the league this season, it was my intention, because of the Res12 scandal, to give up my season ticket. But since we won the league I have decided to hang on in the hope of seeing the ten. But after that I am definitely finished. The game in Scotland is, was, and always will be, bent. But who can doubt that Celtic were complicit in this latest act of crookery. To continue to support the club I love is to be taken for a mug, and to justify the contempt in which, in my opinion, we are held by the board. We can rightly say there is now no such thing as The Old Firm. But the board’s, and the SFA’s business model says otherwise, and that brand must me protected at all costs. Well, fuck ’em I say.
Your summary of the SFA statement is powerful and succinct, and expresses my take on it in a way I was incapable of. Supporters and shareholders are left with no option but to look at how to hold the SFA to account for its unprofessional conduct and to ensure transparency in future.
A three year uefa competition ban for Scottish clubs would be sucked up by CELTIC but destroy SEVCO and its successor.
A european ban due to proven SFA/Rangers corruption would be a positive thing for the game in Scotland.
Dermott might have to forego dividends for his sins.
Why is there an Irishman controlling a Glasgow football club anyway? Telling CELTIC fans it’s the same Rangers with the same history.
Why shouldn’t an Irishman have a controlling interest In Celtic??
Never read such an erudite, varied and articulate series of comments. Total respect. HailHail. Keep safe. Keep the faith!
The tenacious and resilient Res12 guys won’t be put off by this minor setback.
I fully expect them to instruct their Lawyer to take the SFA decision to the High Court of Session in Edinburgh for Judicial Review.
Charles Green was unhappy with an SFA decision to punish him with a punishment not in SFA rules. Green won against the SFA and the judge ordered the SFA to go away and give him a competent punishment. The SFA and Green then did a deal.
What was very telling was the Judge affirmed the court as the SFAs Superior and the SFA acquiesced to that assertion.
A Judicial Review would result in the High Court instructing the SFA to take the Res12 complaint to CAS. There is no doubt of it.
I presume the SFA/Celtic Board were hoping 9 in a row plus Covid19 would be an opportune moment to sweep it under the carpet.
Shareholders of Clubs and Fans have rights.
I, and probably many Celtic fans, will look forward to requests for crowdfunding donations.
I don’t think the Res12 guys are short of a bob or ten but crowdfunding using an online platform delivers a number of positive opportunities:
1. The ability for lots of people to show their dissatisfaction with the SFA over Res12.
2. The ability of lots of people to show their solidarity with the Res12 guys.
3. The demonstration to the courts the strength of feeling on this issue by so many people.
4. The ability to fund the legal costs for the CAS case also.
5. The ability for lots of people to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with CFC Board on this issue.
6. The ability to do something about corruption in Scottish football namely Rangers FC and it’s cover up stooges in the SFA.
7. The publicity a crowd fund would generate plus all the comments of support.
8. Back it up with a one page ‘Advert’ in the press.
9. Put together a Sevco type dossier of evidence and send it to all 42 clubs. Generate Association momentum.
10. Get all the presstitutes and media cronies talking about the initiative.
You could also argue that it also opens up the very real prospect for Supporters of other Clubs less than happy with this situation ALSO having an opportunity to fund the cleaning up of our game.
This decisions taken by the SFA back then (as now )affected other Clubs too remember
EBT’s
I think there is scope to raise serious funding for this.
Do the resolution guys have a funding page? I for one would take back what Celtic owe me for the games missed this season and give it to them. Disgraceful.
I think any funding should be specific to any Legal Action.
What you don’t want is a situation where funds are being misappropriated or used for things other than Legal proceedings.
Exactly. What would be useful is a law firm working from donations direct to them with regular reports on activity and costs to keep account with first objective to establish the legal options open based on evidence.
In effect a Feasibility Study of what can be done to achieve particular objectives.
Following which choices are made which route to follow.
There is an argument the £11k spent already on legal fees was raised on basis Celtic wanted to establish the truth about events in 2011 and as that appears to be a false impression given then that £11k should be refunded by Celtic to provide basis for taking the SFA to task.
I read ,with interest, lots of posts which roundly condemn our Club for their appalling behaviour with regards to Res.12.
And, for the avoidance of doubt, I totally agree with the sentiments expressed.
I have to ask ‘though….what will you do about it ?
I realise that we are all in different situations, so there’s no easy solution.
However…up until 3 months ago I had a Season Ticket of long standing ( 30 + years ) but decided that because of our Club’s stance on Res. 12 …I was finished with the Club…and gave my ST to my Grandson…and it had been agreed that I would renew for next season…and his Mum would reimburse me.
He ‘phoned me today, however, to tell me that his conscience wouldn’t allow him to do that…and that he was backing me by not going back…So there’s one ST for the waiting list.
Now it may not seem such a ” big thing” …but believe you me…it is..!!
When the Club allows a situation like this to develop…then something is seriously wrong.
I have no idea why they have chosen this path…( although I suspect that ” blackmail ” may play a part.)…but I di know its the wrong one…and I only hope they are made to suffer for it.
Oh…and as my main source of income is the State Pension…then despite Mr.Lawwell’s appeal to not ask for a refund…I confirm that I will be requesting a refund for the 4 games that I am owed…and I will gladly give this money over to fund a private petition…or whatever is required.
We’ve had dark days before…these are some of the darkest I can remember.
Anyway…What will you do…?
One suggestion…Boycott any SFA tournament…because until this cabal is removed from office…nothing will change.
Lawell Has so much skin in this it beggars belief. He should be shown the door with immediate effect.
Simple question , why do we hire coaches from Park? is it another way to generate money for them?
You really cant make this up. Shame on our board. As to the Dundee situation, I heard from a very
reliable source exactly what happened, suffice to say Mr Nelms was happy with the way he set up a
certain former employee.
Regarding Celtic directors wanting there to always be an “Old Firm”, how do you think the Klans board would act if we were in Sevcos position? They would bury us faster than you can say liquidation. Absolute shambles by our board. HH.
I can understand sevco’s anger and ire at the season ending early and the awarding of the title to celtic, without justification.
Mathematically, scientifically, metaphysically, metaphorically and according to Einstein’s theory of relativity and newton’s laws (numbers 1 to 12 and 14 to 16. there is no law number 13) and euclid’s and pythagoras laws of geometry, sevco could have won this league.
If you ask the fair minded people in this country like ally mccoist, walter smith, sandy Bryson, jim farry, red card red card ross, big fat derek johstone, wee fat alex salmond , wee Nicola sturgeon, david murray and his pal gordon brown I’m sure they would agree.
If you asked the greats from history like Cromwell, wellington, nelson, churchill, thatcher, lady diana and lady ga ga I’m sure they would agree.
Where is the justice?
I demand an inquiry.
I demand an investigation.
Someone should be fired.
If you don’t think the Celtic board were in cahoots then you are deluding yourself. The only club to lose money during the time Sevco were out of the Premiership was Celtic . They had a hand in the five way agreement and Lawwell didn’t want their part aired in public. This is why the board have stalled and prevaricated at every turn.
The whole corrupt system should be done away with. Imagine expecting a random computer fixture programme that can have the OF playing each other at certain times ( new years derby etc ). Imagine a governing body allowing the TV companies dictating there has to be 4 OF games a season. Imagine a governing body that allows imperfectly registered players to carry on without sanction.
Time for a root and branch clear out and start again with new rules and a governing body elected every four years. Oh and make that ONE governing body too.
Regarding Celtic directors wanting there to always be an “Old Firm”, how do you think the Klans board would act if we were in Sevcos position? They would bury us faster than you can say liquidation. Absolute shambles by our board. HH.
Silence is Golden ! And we have have had too much of it from the Celtic Board , not just at this moment but over the years as the Res.12 guys have strived to shine a light on the blatant corruption that was evident for all to see re. the Rangers’ Uefa license case.
The elephant in the room , whether it is an SFA meeting room or the Celtic boardroom , appears to be Celtic’s involvement in the murky goings on which spawned the 5-Way Agreement ( hereafter called the Cheat’s Charter ! ). Until we are informed to the contrary we can only surmise that the most influential club at that time , and the richest , HAD to be party to any deal which cleared the way for a NEW club , recently formed , to replace the sadly departed and much lamented Rangers FC.
Now whoever was involved at Celtic at that time is likely to still be involved at Celtic today . One can speculate but it is not the $65,000 question as to their identities ! These individuals , for fairly obvious reasons , wish to remain at arms length ( and anonymous ) from the nuclear fallout that would ensue if their participation was revealed .
So , the Res.12 guys , by their tenacity in attempting to get to the truth are in danger of upsetting the apple-cart . Should their labours be rewarded by a PROPER investigation of the shadowy goings on around the issuing of the Rangers’ license , then someone from the Dark Side may just say ”F*ck it ! ” and throw open the whole corrupt shebang by naming names and pointing fingers !
IF anyone at Celtic were involved ( and two names spring to mind ) the repercussions would be considerable .
”A club like no other ! ” would be exposed as a sick joke if the people at the top were no better than those that our support have been demonising for years .
All this speculation could be just that – speculation with no foundations . But until the Celtic board come out and put this decisively to bed then the doubts and the speculation will continue .
Spot on hail hail
It’s a small backwater football association of 42 clubs with little money.
The second largest club by fan base is a corrupt, cheating, toxic, lying, dirty dark lot indeed.
Club Chairmen, Boards, SFA/SPFL Executives have had to work hard to preserve the game and revenues for everyone’s good and sort the pro RFC/TRFC corruption in the game whilst trying to keep SEVCO respectable, clean and honest.
Everyone needs to milk them.
It’s an ongoing effort to do that. Balancing historical clear corruption against where the game is (millions lost to Covid19 with no start in sight), people have to make difficult decisions.
Undoubtedly, Celtic and its fans have been the victims of this corruption having had a great many titles and cups cheated from them over ten years at least.
Sevco look in distress and if they’re going bust. Why give them an excuse the SFA was hounding them for old RFC corruption.?
Personally, I would have preferred a statement saying the Res12 issue was deferred until after Covid19 was over. Keep SEVCO on the hook.
I doubt CAS will be sitting until then anyway.
The EBT titles can still be challenged in court for another 2.5 years.
I believe there is a threshold point where people in the game say what SEVCO brings isn’t enough to put up with this acting up, noising up bs and the plug gets pulled on the Sevco project. But until then, they will continue to be milked.
August 2008 Kaunas knocked old Rangers out of Europe. I said to my son then, that if We won the league Rangers would be dominated for a decade. We already all knew how much debt they had built up although we didn’t appreciate the level of Tax evading corruption at the time.
Fast forward to the January transfer window Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink‘s goals had dried up Celtic badly needed reinforcement up front…it never materialised. I have always suspected this decision was taken above the Manager’s pay grade to give old Rangers “a fighting chance”. They won the league and the next 2 but only delayed the inevitable financial implosion.
Res 12 shows the Celtic board believe they are in a symbiotic relationship with ANY outfit playing out of Ibrox. IMHO they have kept “bafflingly quiet” about the Illegal EBT titles and fraudulent UEFA licence award because they have calculated that UEFA would be outraged that there is a member football association even more corrupt than they are. and would ban ALL Scottish Clubs from participation in European Competitions for a number of years.
This, I believe, is the crux of my Club’s cowardly behaviour
I’ve thought for years that the reaaon PL and DD have kept quiet on the matter, and indeed been obstructive, IS the fear that if the SFA ARE exposed beyond Scotland and exposed beyond doubt to be corrupt,.ALL Scottish teams could be banned from European competition for a period of time.
Now, if there is a genuine chance that this could happen I can understand their stance. I don’t agree with it but I understand it.
They will be looking at it from the business point of view that although the cheating years cost them millions of pounds, that money is gone and CANNOT be recovered. WHATEVER the legal outcome.
A ban from CL competition now, even for only two or three years, would cost the club MANY MILLIONS MORE.
That’s the business view point. As a fan, not a shareholder or anyone with skin in the business side of the club, I’m far more interested in the fact that we, and other clubs, were cheated out of multiple trophies.
For this reason I want us to take our chances with UEFA.
Based on what UEFA have already done to national associations delinquent in their licensing responsibilities, this scenario is unlikely.
The delinquent club might face a sanction, almost certainly, but banning other innocent clubs would justifiably face a legal challenge so it’s not going to happen.
What UEFA did with the Albanian, Serbian and Khasak national associations was to enter into a Settlement Agreement designed to remove the causes of their delinquency.
So please folk, put this idea of a blanket sanction to rest. It will not happen.
Thanks for that clarification.
In that case let someone who knows how to set up a crowd fund do it! And let’s go after the bastards!
Sadly, it seems more and more difficult to see any other conclusion that as far as Mr Lawell and co see it, there there was, there is and there will always will be an old firm, and part of their corporate governance is to ensure its survival.
I’d dearly love to be mistaken, but how else can you see the whole approach to Res 12, their singleminded determination to kick it into the long grass…..
Also, are they not in breach of their legal duties and responsibilities to the shareholders of the company, since this has resulted in multi millions of £ revenue being diverted away from our business.
Is there not a legal requirement to act in the shareholders best interest and pursue fradulently lost money.
Anyone able to answer this for me?
HH
Phil, is this a decision that could be a subject of a judicial review?
Phil
I read a comment last night, regards a legal challenge, could this be a way forward?
I would certainly welcome such a move , possibly crowd funded ? I’m sure the monetary target would be surpassed.
The answer is simple. The GFA ( Glasgow Football Association ) have made this go away if Sevco drop their war with regards the independent inquiry. The GFA can’t allow the inquiry and Sevco can’t have the EBT years scrutinized by any authority that will reveal the truth. A can of worms that reeks of corruption from all involved.There are a lot of questions with regards the way the league was ended, not least the lies , Dundee claim they have been offered a glamour friendly and the GFA say they have not, one of them is lying! Then we have Doncaster writing to Eufa claiming the clubs want the league ended long before the ballot, and lots more besides.
On the other hand Sevco can’t afford anyone delving into the books due to improperly registered players and side letters Etc.
The reason the Celtic board are saying nothing is because they knew about it from the off. The same with the 5 way agreement. PL is a power player at the heart of Scottish football and is also on several UEFA committees/boards. You would have to be thick as a sevco support not to see this.
The Res12 guys need to keep going and every fan should be willing to chip in to cover the costs